Re: RE: cats: the real extreme position | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Norman Gauss (normangaussmediaone.net) | |
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:17:21 -0600 (MDT) |
When I used the word "environment", I did not necessarily mean outdoor environment. I too am a lover of birds, frogs, and lizards and feel that 7 cats on 3 acres can kill a lot of small animals. If people want to have cats in their houses, that is fine with me. But they should stay indoors most of the time, or have a caged outdoor area. For reasons of sustainability, we should have as little impact on our natural surroundings as possible. Predatory pets in green areas are a no-no in my view. Norm Gauss oakcreekcommons [at] yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Wolf" <kjwolf [at] dcn.davis.ca.us> To: <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>; <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [C-L]_RE: cats: the real extreme position > At 06:25 PM 8/30/2001 -0700, Norman Gauss wrote: > >Yes, having domestic plants and animals in our environment is justified. > > Well I am finally motivated to weigh in on this subject. N Street has a > lot of cats - probably seven outdoor ones for our 3 acres. The > environmental damage they do is incalculable because we only see a small > percentage of the death they cause. We used to have snakes, lizards and > toads in the gardens. They are all gone from death by well-fed cats doing > what they like to do. The only birds that seem to survive are the jays and > crows. Some of the rarest birds we have seen have been found dead by the > cats thus we know the bird species do visit. Studies all over the world > confirm that one of the biggest causes for the decline of song bird > populations is from house cats. Bells don't help much either and most of > the people in our community who start out saying that their cat will be an > indoor cat give in and let it become an outdoor one, and add another > well-fed predator to the environment. > > Our community is a retrofit one so as we added neighboring houses many came > with cats. Thus cats were never outlawed like dogs were. Now we have dogs > in the community and us wildlife lovers would much prefer dogs over cats > because dogs don't kill as many (or any) wild animals. We gave up having > our community be a haven for endangered wildlife. Some of us feel bad that > our gardens attract birds that then become prey to the cats. > > Sorry Norman but I don't believe cats in garden environments are > justified. Keep them in indoor environments and keep dogs out of wildlife > areas where they chase down deer and wreck havoc. > > And we won't talk about the amount of animal protein most cats eat and > where it comes from and the harm it does to the environment in the process > because most cat owners don't want to think about this. > > By the way, you can probably guess that I am not an animal "lover" in part > because I believe what M. Scott Peck said - we can only love those who can > grow spiritually from our love. We can't really love chocolate or > pets. And if we think we can help them grow to their full spiritual > potential, wouldn't it be better to use that love and attention on a human? > > Awaiting the outcry from the pet lovers, > > Kevin > **************** > Kevin Wolf > N Street Cohousing Community member > 724 N St, Davis, CA 95616 > 530-758-4211 > kjwolf [at] dcn.davis.ca.us > > To download my facilitation manual or other material on > consensus decision making, visit www.dcn.davis.ca.us/go/kjwolf > > _______________________________________________ > Cohousing-L mailing list > Cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org Unsubscribe and other info: > http://www.communityforum.net/mailman/listinfo/cohousing-l _______________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list Cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org Unsubscribe and other info: http://www.communityforum.net/mailman/listinfo/cohousing-l
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RE: cats: the real extreme position Ruddick, T.R., August 30 2001
- Re: RE: cats: the real extreme position Elizabeth Stevenson, August 30 2001
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Re: RE: cats: the real extreme position Norman Gauss, August 30 2001
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Re: RE: cats: the real extreme position Kevin Wolf, August 30 2001
- Re: RE: cats: the real extreme position Norman Gauss, August 30 2001
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- Re: RE: cats: the real extreme position Michael D, September 4 2001
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Re: RE: cats: the real extreme position Kevin Wolf, August 30 2001
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