Re: Tolerance is not the same as politically correct | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: kwan lu (kwanluhotmail.com) | |
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:22:01 -0700 (MST) |
"How about.. "finished for the winter holidays"? "finished by the end of the year"? "finished for new years"?"If I were Australian, I d be offended at the geographic imperialism implicit in this statement. After all, Christmas comes in summer, Down Under. And isn't the very concept of "holidays" ("holy days") a veiled insult to atheists and agnostics? And as for "end of the year/new years". Not if you're Chinese, or Moslem, or Jewish it ain't...
Can't win fer losin'.
From: Bombadil <bombadil [at] dnai.com> Reply-To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org Subject: [C-L]_Tolerance is not the same as politically correct Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:49:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0Received: from [209.98.1.50] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBDB98F0A007340043716D162013207630; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:50:04 -0800 Received: from mapnp.Geeks.ORG (localhost.Geeks.ORG [127.0.0.1])by mapnp.mnforum.org (Postfix) with ESMTPid 601796C80A; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:50:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from ns1.tigertech.com (ns1.tigertech.com [64.23.0.46])by mapnp.mnforum.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B716A6C801for <cohousing-L [at] communityforum.net>; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:49:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (ns1.tigertech.com [127.0.0.1])by ns1.tigertech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9519AACA9for <cohousing-L [at] communityforum.net>; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from barney.sfrn.dnai.com (barney.sfrn.dnai.com [208.59.199.24])by ns1.tigertech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84F1ACC3for <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sideshow-mel.sfrn.dnai.com (sideshow-mel.sfrn.dnai.com [208.59.199.19])by barney.sfrn.dnai.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fACLn1J96968for <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:49:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from my-computer.dnai.com (207-172-166-200.s200.tnt1.sfrn.ca.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.166.200])by sideshow-mel.sfrn.dnai.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fACLkXL27537for <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:46:33 -0800 (PST)(envelope-from bombadil [at] dnai.com)From cohousing-l-admin [at] cohousing.org Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:51:21 -0800 Delivered-To: cohousing-l [at] communityforum.net Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20011112131824.00d8b1c0 [at] pop.sfrn.dnai.com> X-Sender: bombadil [at] pop.sfrn.dnai.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 In-Reply-To: <IOEAKFIIMMFMMFGDLFEOAEFJCCAA.catya [at] homeport.org> References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10111031500510.4786-100000 [at] freedom.mtn.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Sender: cohousing-l-admin [at] cohousing.org Errors-To: cohousing-l-admin [at] cohousing.org X-BeenThere: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:cohousing-l-request [at] cohousing.org?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>List-Subscribe: <http://www.communityforum.net/mailman/listinfo/cohousing-l>,<mailto:cohousing-l-request [at] cohousing.org?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Developing cohousing - collaborative housing communities <cohousing-l.cohousing.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.communityforum.net/mailman/listinfo/cohousing-l>,<mailto:cohousing-l-request [at] cohousing.org?subject=unsubscribe>> The Common House is almost complete and > will be finished for Christmas. Not looking for religious diversity, eh? :) Seriously, though - i know i'm sensitive to this kind of thing (!), but so might other potential buyers be. How about.. "finished for the winter holidays"? "finished by the end of the year"? "finished for new years"?I kind of think people who are offended by this wouldn't be tolerant enough to live happily in a diverse community. This is simply a way of expressing a date that reflects the point of view of the speaker. It is not putting down anyone's religion. In fact, it doesn't even tell you the religion of the speaker, as I've heard non-Christians speak of something happening by Christmas. To assume anything about the speaker's attitudes towards other people, their religion, their culture, etc. is totally unjustified based onthe statement. If you can't tell anything about the person, why take offense.I know many people have been sensitized by their life experiences, often with good reason. I'm just suggesting this isn't a happy way of thinking and someone who wants to live in a close community might want to work on overcoming it. I know some people think tolerance means policing their speech so that it contains nothing that could possibly offend anyone, but I don't agree. I think it means accepting the rights of others to have their own point of view, culture, beliefs, etc. It doesn't mean everyone has to censor who they are to the lowest common denominator. If I say by Christmas, and my friend says by Ramadan, that's fine with both of us. If I don't know when Ramadan starts, I'll ask my friend. If my friend doesn't know when Christmas is, she'll ask me. No offense taken on either side, and perhaps some learning. In my experience, people can be politically correct without feeling true tolerance, and people can be truly tolerant without being politically correct. I really enjoy diversity, including differences in expression. >>> It's not a question of being offended - I mostly wasn't. But it didn't make it sound like a place that I would want to live, so i figured it was worth mentioning :) <<< LOL - and I had just the opposite thought - I would be wary of a place where everyone has to be careful of what they say and how they say it for fear of offending someone. Linda _______________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list Cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org Unsubscribe and other info: http://www.communityforum.net/mailman/listinfo/cohousing-l
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