Re: Tolerance is not the same as politically correct
From: kwan lu (kwanluhotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:22:01 -0700 (MST)

"How about.. "finished for the winter
holidays"?  "finished by the end of the year"? "finished for new years"?"

If I were Australian, I d be offended at the geographic imperialism implicit in this statement. After all, Christmas comes in summer, Down Under. And isn't the very concept of "holidays" ("holy days") a veiled insult to atheists and agnostics? And as for "end of the year/new years". Not if you're Chinese, or Moslem, or Jewish it ain't...

Can't win fer losin'.


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> The Common House is almost complete and
> will be finished for Christmas.

Not looking for religious diversity, eh? :)

Seriously, though - i know i'm sensitive to this kind of thing (!), but so
might other potential buyers be.  How about.. "finished for the winter
holidays"?  "finished by the end of the year"? "finished for new years"?

I kind of think people who are offended by this wouldn't be tolerant enough
to live happily in a diverse community. This is simply a way of expressing
a date that reflects the point of view of the speaker. It is not putting
down anyone's religion. In fact, it doesn't even tell you the religion of
the speaker, as I've heard non-Christians speak of something happening by
Christmas. To assume anything about the speaker's attitudes towards other
people, their religion, their culture, etc. is totally unjustified based on
the statement. If you can't tell anything about the person, why take offense.

I know many people have been sensitized by their life experiences, often
with good reason. I'm just suggesting this isn't a happy way of thinking
and someone who wants to live in a close community might want to work on
overcoming it.

I know some people think tolerance means policing their speech so that it
contains nothing that could possibly offend anyone, but I don't agree. I
think it means accepting the rights of others to have their own point of
view, culture, beliefs, etc. It doesn't mean everyone has to censor who
they are to the lowest common denominator. If I say by Christmas, and my
friend says by Ramadan, that's fine with both of us. If I don't know when
Ramadan starts, I'll ask my friend. If my friend doesn't know when
Christmas is, she'll ask me. No offense taken on either side, and perhaps
some learning.

In my experience, people can be politically correct without feeling true
tolerance, and people can be truly tolerant without being politically
correct. I really enjoy diversity, including differences in expression.

>>> It's not a question of being offended - I mostly wasn't. But it didn't
make it sound like a place that I would want to live, so i figured it was
worth mentioning :) <<<

LOL - and I had just the opposite thought - I would be wary of a place
where everyone has to be careful of what they say and how they say it for
fear of offending someone.

Linda



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