|RE: Is the Common House a Public Building?||<– Date –> <– Thread –>|
|From: Eileen McCourt (emccourtcharter.net)|
|Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:55:58 -0800 (PST)|
We are a public building but not a commercial building. We had to provide stall toilets based on anticipated use and separate men's and women's lavatories. We have a single accessible shower detached from the lavatories. We follow the regulations for a public use of the building, and our pool follows public use rules, which are more stringent than residential pools regulations, e.g. we must demonstrate that we test the water each day and that we have a process in place to shut down the pool and spa to remedy any public health conditions. We have an elevator and underground parking which also have public use conditions. In my understanding, being a public building simply means that we are built to standards that are based on more concentrated use than a residential building. We fought this, especially the toilets and lavatories, but were overruled by the city. I think our architect was trying to avoid a commercial designation, so didn't fight too vigorously on the subject of being a public building. While I was very opposed to the bathroom being as they are, they're not really onerous, as I expected them to be. --eileen -----Original Message----- From: Joani Blank [mailto:joani [at] swansway.com] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:52 PM To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org Subject: RE: [C-L]_ Is the Common House a Public Building? I am surprised to hear that you had to consider your common house a public building. You aren't serving public meals there. You are serving meals to residents of your community on a part of the property that belongs to all of you, How is that any different from any one of your neighbors having a bunch of his/her neighbors in for dinner at his/her house? Or folks who live in a conventional condo having occasional--or even regular--potlucks in their community room. I'm also surprised to hear about the requirement for stall toilets. Did they require you to have separate men's and women's bathrooms too? Joani Blank Swan's Market Cohousing Oakland, CA Eileen McCourt wrote: As far as I know, we were able to avoid the health dept. rules for a "commercial" kitchen, but we do meet the standards for a "public" building - one of the reasons we have the stall toilets that we do. We were not allowed to have regular residential bathrooms because of the use of the building. As far as the city is concerned, we are a public building, same for the pool, etc. We are following all of those requirements. --eileen -----Original Message----- From: normangauss [at] charter.net [mailto:normangauss [at] charter.net] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:22 PM To: Developing cohousing - collaborative housing communities Subject: [C-L]_ Is the Common House a Public Building? Does anybody know whether California regulations for public buildings apply to cohousing common houses? We have a kitchen that serves public meals. We have restrooms that serve groups of visitors. We have guestrooms in which visitors are lodged. Are these kinds of facilities considered "public" and therefore expected to be held to standards set by the state government? Norm Gauss Oak Creek Commons Cohousing Paso Robles, CA 93446 _________________________________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/
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