|Re: Cohousing-L Digest, Vol 36, Issue 39 conventional values in cohousing||<– Date –> <– Thread –>|
|From: month9325 (month9325mypacks.net)|
|Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:33:28 -0800 (PST)|
It can also happen that even where co-housing values exist or existed initially, there can be issues in self management that lead to resistance to dealing with concerns, which lowers the standard of living in a co-housing group just as it might be lowered in any other development. -----Original Message----- >From: cohousing-l-request [at] cohousing.org >Sent: Jan 29, 2007 6:16 AM >To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org >Subject: Cohousing-L Digest, Vol 36, Issue 39 > >Send Cohousing-L mailing list submissions to > cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.cohousing.org/mailman/listinfo/cohousing-l >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cohousing-l-request [at] cohousing.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > cohousing-l-owner [at] cohousing.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Cohousing-L digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Cohousing values in Conventional Condos [Was: Not > selecting members in a group] (byron patterson) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:39:54 -0500 >From: "byron patterson" <byronpatterson [at] gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [C-L]_ Cohousing values in Conventional Condos [Was: Not > selecting members in a group] >To: Cohousing-L <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> >Message-ID: > <df0930cb0701281639i29055477p8546dc6cb4e5efb0 [at] mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >On 1/28/07, Byron Patterson^ byronpatterson [at] gmail.com>replyed > >There are truths to the writings. When shared communities are venerable >to various liabilities, communities are faced with lower standards of >living. >Most often no one is held accountable, and victims are left isolated from >legal means of resolving the matters. So often wrong individuals are >accused, >and held accountable for someone's mistake or wrong doing. My experience >is that most property management groups are so involved in making profits, >that they don't spend the time it takes to develop the enviroment for their >residendcy. The other side, is most community residents don't have a clue >about the economic structure of their community; depending on local, state, >and federal representatives to act on their behalf, without knowledge of the >situation. I have learned you have to participate, if you want changes in >your >community by forming proper vehicles of communication; and protect the >vehicles of communication that have established. Also, community residents >have to disseminating the economic structure of their community to make >any changes in the communities viability or living standard. > >Bottomline, bring money or any other form of capital into a community is >just not enough to establish a communities viability. Community residents >have to continue in the their exploration of develop their community, being >aware of changes that might effect their community. > >On 1/28/07, Sharon Villines <sharon [at] sharonvillines.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Jan 27, 2007, at 2:28 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> >> > Shouldn't it be possible for me to find and move >> > into a community, a village, a neighborhood, an apartment or condo >> > building, or whatever, where most of the inhabitants subscribe to >> > certain shared values ...... >> >> Cohousing has actually moved in this direction by building larger >> communities and using developers who take on the burden of doing the >> actual building while the community finds buyers. >> >> I would also suggest that the Communities Association Institute (CAI) >> is the place to really work on such an effort beyond building your own >> community. Their research has shown that when people regard their >> building as a community they are happier and the building has much less >> turn over -- a big plus for building management. They also report that >> 4 out of 5 new housing units will be built in homeowner association >> controlled communities. >> >> My own effort in this direction is to begin writing a book that >> explains how to use sociocracy to govern such a beast and still promote >> cohousing values. All the CAI literature espouses values similar to >> cohousing but then gives orders to the board that reinforce an >> autocratic, "the Board Is King (Kong)" message. They do encourage get >> to know you coffees, etc. but not with many teeth. In other words, keep >> it manageable. Keep it board controlled. Don't serve anything homemade >> (danger of food poisoning and lawsuits). >> >> There have been subscribers to this list who live in conventional >> condos who are interested in doing what you describe. And I've lived in >> buildings where there was a sense of community between some residents >> (others removed themselves). The problem was the board who would >> routinely squashed things claiming that the lawyer or the insurance >> company wouldn't allow it. >> >> Until there is some model for governing a cohousing community with over >> 100 units, I think the effort to extend cohousing to the mainstream >> communities will not be very effective. Inclusive governance is an >> oxymoron to them and lawsuits loom large. >> >> Sharon >> ---- >> Sharon Villines >> http://www.sociocracy.info >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: >> http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ >> >> >> > > >------------------------------ > >_________________________________________________________________ >Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: >http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ > >End of Cohousing-L Digest, Vol 36, Issue 39 >*******************************************
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