|Re: Long-Term Sustainability Notes Online...||<– Date –> <– Thread –>|
|From: Lisa Poley (lpoleyvt.edu)|
|Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:12:17 -0700 (PDT)|
>"Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly. You want 99.4% of human beings to die within 40 years?"< Brian, Come on now...lets try to maintain a reasonable level of civility in this discussion. Ronald's presentation of information that points up the very real challenges that face us in the coming decades in no way equates to "wanting 99.4% of human beings to die within 40 years" and it strikes me as disingenuous to represent his message in that way. Eternal optimism is a great quality.....unless it serves to blind people to hard facts and keeps them from facing very real challenges in a clear headed and serious manner. We seem to be in an era of maximum 'fantasy indulgence' here in the U.S. where denial and magical thinking are epidemic. Spend some time in the developing world, (where the majority of the world's population lives) as I have, and magical thinking starts to slip away pretty quickly. You begin to suspect that the modest promised land of adequate food, shelter, education, decent health and a dignified existence is becoming further out of reach for ever increasing numbers of the world's people and there is no real relief -no 'magic bullets' -on the horizon for them. At the same time - we in the rich, industrialized regions cling desperately to the idea that we can keep all we have now and get even more - without facing serious consequences. We maintain a near fanatical faith in the prospect of some technological magic bullet that will arrive just in time to make everything okay. If we are going to make it through the coming era with some form of civilization intact, we need to stop indulging in magical thinking. We need to get serious about facing the tough challenges that are headed our way, and we need to accept that that may mean giving up some of the goodies we in rich nations now take for granted. I am pessimistic about the likelihood that magic bullets (like 'fusion energy') will save our collective rear ends in the near term. But I am optimistic that people can be amazingly creative and resilient in the face of tremendous changes and challenges. By the way - Living in Cohousing is giving us skills, resources and networks of relationship that tremendously increase our resilience and may help us face the changes that are coming. It is possible that Cohousing represents a viable model for a down-shifted resource economy that does not necessarily translate into a significant drop in quality of life for residents. (Some would even argue that it could represent increased quality of life- even under increasingly resource strapped conditions.) To accept that we are very likely headed for some tough times is not to welcome those tough times or to advocate human suffering. Only by looking clearly at the dangers we face, can we hope to marshal the collective will and wherewithal to head off the worst consequences and minimize the pain and suffering that so frequently come along with dramatic change. - Lisa -----Original Message----- From: Brian Bartholomew [mailto:bb [at] stat.ufl.edu] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:30 PM To: Cohousing-L Subject: Re: [C-L]_ Long-Term Sustainability Notes Online... Ronald Frederick Greek <fred.greek [at] yahoo.com> writes: > 6,600,000,000 - 37,902,186 = 6.5 billion or so must die in the time > remaining for fossil fuels > As of 2007, a large portion of the global population is 20 or > younger. At current consumption globally of 30 billion barrels per > year, and the largest daydream of 1,200 billion barrels of oil, we > have 40 years until depletion... MUCH LESS until demand permanently > exceeds possible supply, and anyone not self-sufficient crashes. Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly. You want 99.4% of human beings to die within 40 years? Brian _________________________________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/888 - Release Date: 7/6/2007 6:36 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/888 - Release Date: 7/6/2007 6:36 AM
- Long-Term Sustainability Notes Online... Ronald Frederick Greek, July 5 2007
- Re: Long-Term Sustainability Notes Online... Oliveau, July 8 2007
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