|Re: Low cost community housing group||<– Date –> <– Thread –>|
|From: Fred H Olson (fholsoncohousing.org)|
|Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:44:10 -0800 (PST)|
Lyle Scheer <wonko [at] monkeyhouse.org> is the author of the message below. It was posted by Fred, the Cohousing-L list manager <fholson [at] cohousing.org> due to a format problem. -------------------- FORWARDED MESSAGE FOLLOWS -------------------- On 1/22/10 9:54 AM, Chili Head wrote: > I actually cannot believe someone would write this (not Marganne, but > someone else): "these can attract people who are highly dysfunctional > and thus the community can end up spending inordinate amounts of > energy dealing with social pathology, something cohousing, with its > economic barriers is largely free from ..." > > Gotta say, even if we HAD money, I wouldn't want to be part of a > community that embraces such opinions. If that's the true nature of > the majority of this list, I'm likely outta here. > I'm not clear what is odious about the quote above. Perhaps if it had ended with, "...and that's why I feel the current model is good." As it is, it appears to be making a speculative statement, which I might reword as follows: 1) posit: "Highly dysfunctional people are more likely to be poor." 2) thus theorizing: "communities that create affordable housing might attract more highly dysfunctional people, and might end up spending inordinate amounts of time and energy dealing with said social pathology." Reading above... it does make an assertion that "cohousing, with it's economic barriers *is* largely free from". I do not know if this is a valid statement. I have seen threads on this list about cohousing communities dealing with socially dysfunctional people, so it's clear to me that cohousing is not completely free from. The relative relief seems more speculative without studying. I'm not sure I would discount an assertion that low-income co-housing groups would have to deal with more dysfunction than co-housing groups oriented in a different way... I just don't know. To me, that speculation is not offensive, but to my scientific mind... curious. It seems like it could possibly be proven. Now... going into more speculation, having been through the development phase of co-housing.... even without money issues, I would assert that just getting a group together, making it functional, and creating a housing solution would likely self-select or group select out dysfunctional personalities. If a person cannot work well within a group, and disrupts the group's purpose, I speculate that either the group will fail or will deal with removing the disruption. Groups that can figure out how to integrate such personalities, if possible, may end up being stronger groups (this is also a speculative statement, but is a more positively oriented speculation). I have no idea if the low income groups would have more or less trouble with such personalities than ones that do not cater to low income groups. One last thing.... I know in my particular co-housing experience, we had choices to make, and one of them involved the tradeoff between green building (using certified "green" lumber... the type we were looking at was more expensive), or affordability (standard lumber again we found was cheaper). We chose affordability in that particular choice. Different groups I believe would make different choices. I do believe that, and again this falls into opinion, an individual co-housing group is the sum of it's individual members, and that like attracts like.... This would lead me to advise anyone interested in affordable co-housing to form a group and start trying to attract others interested in affordable co-housing, and make it the primary value. The same said for those interested in "green" co-housing, or "elder" co-housing, or combinations of all of the above, though I do believe that any group will run into decisions where it will need to decide between different values that it holds in making choices. For this I believe it's important for any co-housing group to have a clear statement of values and have everyone in the group be aware of those values and in consensus (consensus not to be confused with agreement) - Lyle
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