Dishwashers ect
From: Ruth Hirsch (heidinysearthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:47:57 -0800 (PST)

On Nov 12, 2010, at 6:16 AM, cohousing-l-request [at] cohousing.org wrote:

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Ooops-- I should have detailed it would take two homestyle.

We saw this system in place at Oakland: two homestyle dishwashers fit plenty of dishes.
Eaters put their own in.  Last one, hits 'on.'


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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:08:46 -0600
From: Karen Carlson <kcarlson2 [at] wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: [C-L]_ Dishwashers & Santitizers
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Regarding Sharon's questions.  I was on our kitchen design team and
after consulting with a commercial kitchen designer, there didn't seem
to be an alternative to a sanitizer.  Residential dishwashers simply
take too long to do a single load. If our water heater was kept at a
high enough temp (which it isn't) and if there's a enough labor in the
kitchen, the crew could run maybe 30 trays  an hour using a sanitizer.
We typically have 35-45 people at a meal and if we used a dish washer,
it would take all night. Ours is a CMA and I have had some experience
with a Jackson and a Hobart. As I recall, they all perform about the
same, all need more maintenance than they should, and are all
expensive to repair.

What may make a difference is a service contract.  We get a
considerable break due a deal between the company that sells us the
above liquids and a maintenance company.

BTW, we would have liked the type that sits on the counter with sides
that rise up.  Trays slide through, thus requiring no lifting.  But,
at least in our city, code  requires a commercial hood for this type.
Way, way over our budget.  Ours is raised about 14 inches (what ever
it is, it's the manufacturer's max)  so the stainless steel counters
stop and then continue on the other side. We also have a device that
automatically adds detergent and a surficant (prevents spotting on
glasses).

Pots & Pans:  Since all visible food should be gone before putting in
the sanitizer and pots don't need sanitizing, it doesn't make much
sense to  put them through.  We have double, extra deep sinks for pots
so we hand wash.

Number of Loads:  I'm not sure.  A wild guess for maybe 35 people is
about 7-9, just for plates, glassware and utensils--no prep stuff.
Maybe more loads if bowls are included.

Switched:  We began with a sanitizer.  IMHO, they do a pretty good job
and they are fast. The trade off for being fast is the labor required
to wash dishes first.

For $1600 you might consider a new one, depending on how old yours
is.  They can be found on the used market due to frequent closing of
restaurants.

Good luck,
Karen Carlson
Arboretum Cohousing
Madison, Wi



What is the current state of practice in terms of residential-type
dishwashers? Sanitizers?

Do people do pans in them?

How many loads do you do?

Are you sorry you switched to them?

Of did anyone switch?

What kind do you have?

We are facing $1600 motor replacement in our commercial freestanding
style sanitizer and not all of us want to replace it.

Some people love it.

Sharon
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Sharon Villines
Takoma Village Cohousing, Washington DC
http://www.takomavillage.org




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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:49:58 -0600
From: Karen Carlson <kcarlson2 [at] wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: [C-L]_ Dishwashers etc
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We bought a splendid cart with study wheels and 3 solid shelves
(meaning no openings for water to drip).  While we need to lift trays
in and out of the sanitizer, the cart does the rest of the heavy work.

I, too, would prefer a typical dish washer if the number of diners
were small enough but for our crowd (35-45) it would take many loads.
And that would take all night.  For us, it wasn't a matter of either a
dishwasher or a sanitizer.

Karen C


On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:17 PM, Ruth Hirsch wrote:


Hi,

We have the 'quick/sanitize ' type.
It requires load after load after load.
Also requires lifting/carrying full trays/racks of dishware.

Some folks like it--- it is sort of a team building thing, using it
long after everyone else has gone home.  I think there are better ways
to do team building and to use volunteer time.
With a homestyle type, the last person pushes a button.  That is it.
At some communities, the cooks cleanup as they go,  so there is no
clean up crew, saving on the need for more volunteer time.
During most meal prep, there is a lull while water boils, something
bakes, etc, a good time to empty homestyle dishwasher.
Ours also had a $450 repair, and is only a few years old.




On Nov 11, 2010, at 4:40 PM, cohousing-l-request [at] cohousing.org wrote:


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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:33:31 -0500
From: Sharon Villines <sharon [at] sharonvillines.com>
Subject: [C-L]_ Dishwashers & Santitizers
To: Cohousing-L Cohousing-L <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>
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What is the current state of practice in terms of residential-type
dishwashers? Sanitizers?

Do people do pans in them?

How many loads do you do?

Are you sorry you switched to them?

Of did anyone switch?

What kind do you have?

We are facing $1600 motor replacement in our commercial freestanding
style sanitizer and not all of us want to replace it.

Some people love it.

Sharon
----
Sharon Villines
Takoma Village Cohousing, Washington DC
http://www.takomavillage.org






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