|Re: Senior cohousing||<– Date –> <– Thread –>|
|From: Peg Blum (pegbcambridgecohousing.org)|
|Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:20:24 -0800 (PST)|
This is an excellent thread that somehow came into my Discuss folder (often happens since I have all cohousing-l mail directed to a special folder). It somehow follows along with my message sent to Jesse earlier today...I'll forward to you. Peg BTW didn't know that Craig has moved/ismoving out of Songaia...but not far. A great sounding scheme. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Diane <dianeclaire [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > Well I'm for both kinds and I am especially interested in the > accommodations > that multigenerational cohousing communities are making as its middle-aged > members become seniors. > > However, I would like to say something about those words about Social > Security -- it will not go broke unless we join those who want it to > belly-up by assuming it must go broke. A few tweeks and it will last > through the baby boomers and beyond. the tweeks? 1) turn it from a > regressive to a progressive tax -- at the moment the richer you are the > smaller is the perventage of your income that you pay into it. 2) raise > the > retirement age slightly; 3) stop dipping into the fund to pay for deficits > in other parts of the budget. > > Thanks, > Diane > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Beverly Jones Redekop < > beverly.jones.redekop [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Yarrow Ecovillage is developing its multigenerational cohousing first, > but > > we also plan to have seniors cohousing onsite. We figure that some > seniors > > enjoy the liveliness and vitality of children and other seniors would > > prefer > > to avoid the need for conversations about how children need to remember > to > > pick up scattered outside toys. Many of the moms in the > multigenerational > > have plans to sneak over to seniors cohousing for lovely quiet events > with > > candles and tablecloths! > > > > I agree that we could use Sharon's list as a reminder of how to keep > > multigenerational attractive for people of all ages, but even if we > > "fix"all > > of those items, there might still be people who want to feel free to > ....I > > don't know, grow poisonous flowers in their window boxes or leave > delicate > > china figurines on a table outside their front door. It might be nice to > > have a common house bathroom that would never have water splashed about > or > > grimy marks on the handtowel. I would not take the need for seniors > > cohousing as evidence of failed multigenerational cohousing. > > > > I really like Sharon's list, however, and will share it with my > neighbours > > and neighbours-in-waiting. > > > > Thanks, > > Beverly > > > > www.yarrowecovillage.ca (1 hour east of Vancouver, BC) > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Beverly Jones Redekop > > > > beverly.jones.redekop [at] gmail.com > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Laura Fitch <lfitch [at] krausfitch.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I disagree with the notion that the senior cohousing movement detracts > > from > > > multi-generational cohousing. > > > > > > I actually am very excited about senior cohousing, and determined to > help > > > make it happen. I look at the baby boomer tsunami that is about to hit > > > retirement age - and I conclude that my generation is in BIG trouble if > > we > > > do not figure out how to better house ourselves in our later years. > > There > > > will not be enough multi-generational cohousing to do it. Social > > Security > > > may be broke. I sincerely believe we will need to explore MANY > solutions > > > and this is one solution that should be available for whoever wants it. > > > > > > I am especially excited about the two types going in side by side as in > > the > > > case of Silver Sage and Wild Sage communities in Boulder! > > > > > > Laura Fitch, AIA, LEED AP > > > Kraus-Fitch Architects, Inc. > > > 110 Pulpit Hill Rd. > > > Amherst, MA 01002 > > > 413-549-5799 > > > > > > lfitch [at] krausfitch.com > > > www.krausfitch.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Sharon Villines [mailto:sharon [at] sharonvillines.com] > > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:41 AM > > > To: Cohousing-L > > > Subject: Re: [C-L]_ Any family-based 55+ cohousing in existence? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Dec 2010, at 11:56 PM, balaji [at] ouraynet.com wrote: > > > > > > > movement. Why? Because it takes seniors out of the loop, and > > constrains > > > > the development of true (i.e., multigenerational) communities. > > > > > > Well, just the opening I needed to engage this subject. I also believe > > this > > > is not a good trend for cohousing because it is the seniors who do a > > vital > > > if not largest share of work in the community. Our community would > > collapse > > > without them. > > > > > > Our most dependable people are over 60. They have more flexible time > and > > > have a greater understanding of "larger than my household" > > > responsibilities. > > > They are less overwhelmed by their own lives and have out-grown the > > > expectation that someone else will do it. Many young people are > parented > > to > > > believe that others (parents, teachers, counselors, etc.) are out there > > and > > > will take care of things. > > > > > > Of our residents who are over 60 there is not one who is a slacker. Not > > all > > > are hale and hearty but they are all dependable to the best of their > > > ability. None use their infirmities as an excuse for not stepping in > when > > > something needs to be done, and those under 50 do when they have a > cold. > > > Most don't need to be asked to pitch in. Even those who are 85+ have > > > ongoing > > > leadership and task responsibilities. If it is within their physical > > > ability, they are responsible. This far from true of the under 50 > crowd. > > > > > > If people under 50 don't want to stop the drift to senior cohousing, > they > > > need to look at the reasons older people want their own spaces. I > haven't > > > made a study of this but on my list and on the lists of those I've > talked > > > with are: > > > > > > 1. An expectation of adult behavior in some areas of the commonhouse > > _and_ > > > the grounds all the time and at some time in most areas of the CH. This > > > requires a concept of the CH has something other than a rumpus room for > > > children or an unsupervised student dining hall. > > > > > > 2. Some meals where children are not present so adults can speak not > just > > > to > > > be heard but to have uninterrupted conversations and make jokes that > > > someone > > > else may not want their children to hear. And continue them past school > > day > > > bedtimes. > > > > > > 3. An understanding that on a regular basis there will be events for > > which > > > parents have to make their own arrangements for their own children. The > > > people over 50 have either raised their children or chosen not to raise > > > them > > > and most probably did not join the community for the sole purpose of > > > assuming responsibility for more. Emergency back up and support for > > > childcare at meetings and workdays is the expected limit on childcare. > > Some > > > will do much more but should not be expected to nor repeatedly asked. > > > > > > 4. Understand the difference between child-friendly and child-centered. > > > Child-centered is not multigenerational. > > > > > > 5. Parents must remind themselves that their children are not holy > > causes. > > > No crusades. > > > > > > Cohousing is wonderful but multi-generational takes focus on the needs > of > > > all the generations, not just the children and their parents. > > > > > > It would be interesting to have some discussions of how this mult-focus > > > could be assured. How would you structure the budget and the > > prioritization > > > of activities to ensure that it was being done? > > > > > > Sharon > > > ---- > > > Sharon Villines > > > Takoma Village Cohousing, Washington DC > > > http://www.takomavillage.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > > > http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > > > http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > > http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ > > > > > > > > > -- > Diane Margolis > 175 Richdale Av. > Cambridge, MA 02140 > 617 354 1349 > _________________________________________________________________ > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ > > > -- Peg Blum 175 Richdale Ave #414 Cambridge, MA 02140-3354 (617) 576-1334
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- Re: Senior cohousing Peg Blum, January 6 2011
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