Re: dogs in community
From: Joanie Connors (jvcphdgmail.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 05:54:36 -0700 (PDT)
Hi Wayne (and all)

So, your question was based on this assumption - "Dog owners... don't
seem to have been represented much in the discussion..."

It appears you make that assumption based on the general direction of
the conversation. I don't think that's  a reflection of dog ownership
as much as awareness of the feelings of non-dog owners, and seeing the
greater good of the group.

I happen to own a dog, my 7th in my adult life, and I believe dogs
should not run free (even out in the country). I don't believe the
popular myth that dogs can only be happy while running free. The only
running free dogs are the neglected dogs whose owners are too busy to
spend time with them. Dogs like to have a purpose - guarding, herding,
being a companion. Dogs left to run with no purpose generally get into
packs that can attack people, livestock and smaller pets.

I'm not an expert, but there are several books that support these
ideas. I've also been attacked by dogs while walking and riding my
bicycle (jeans saved my legs from injury, but I was terrified) and
have talked to others with terrible stories and scars. In my own
experiences, when I located the owners of the dogs, they said, "no, my
dog could not have done that...".

Sometimes you need rules and consequences to make people be
responsible. As a last resort, there are usually city/county laws
against unleashed animals.

Thank you for your respectful tone and your interest in cohousing!

Joanie
Silver City EcoCommunity (a planning group)
New Mexico

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Wayne Tyson <landrest [at] cox.net> wrote:
>
> Ann and all:
>
> I do not want to clog in-boxes, so I will try to be as responsive to several
> emails (I don't mind clogging, but I can't always respond to all of
> them--and if I did, the moderator would object) as I can.
>
> I have followed the discussion of this subject, contributed to it once, and
> have come to the PROVISIONAL conclusion that it is of great interest to a
> number of people, because of  all the traffic on the subject. I am trying to
> understand it in neutral terms, hence the questions. Dog owners seem to be
> out walking their dogs or are not on the list, as they don't seem to have
> been represented much in the discussion. My questions are an attempt to get
> the facts in focus. Either the questions are relevant or they are
> irrelevant, but they are not biased, nor are they part of some nefarious
> scheme. I am not interested in "inferences" or other generalities, only in
> facts.
>
> I obviously do not have the power to require anyone to do anything, and if I
> did, I wouldn't use it.
>
> I remain most interested in cohousing as it is, and in its potential and
> history. You folks have been most kind in tolerating my intrusions into your
> discussions, and, as I have tried to make clear, I welcome corrections. I am
> interested in conflict resolution and intellectual and social engagement,
> but not at all interested in arguments about opinions. I want to understand
> the phenomena under discussion and the phenomenon of cohousing in all of its
> dimensions. I would like to know how individual cohousing groups are alike
> or similar and how they differ.
>
> I hope I have been properly responsive to your enquiry; if not, please tell
> me specifically what is out of order with respect to the questions I have
> asked. I try not to be judgmental in my comments, and, again, would welcome
> specific references and comments where I have been out of order in any way.
>
> Best,
> WT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ann Zabaldo" <zabaldo [at] earthlink.net>
> To: "Cohousing-L" <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [C-L]_ dogs in community
>
>
>>
>> Wayne and all --
>>
>> How would knowing the answers to your questions be helpful in dealing w/
>> this issue?  I'm not picking at this -- I'm trying to understand what
>> inferences you could draw from knowing if 5% or 50% of the
>> owners/residents are dog owners.
>>
>> If only one resident has a dog and that dog is a problem then the
>> community has a problem.  If 100% of the residents have dogs and none of
>> them are a problem and the community at large has no problem w/ the dogs
>> then ... there's no problem.
>>
>> I don't know what difference it would make in a cohousing community if one
>> or more people on the board have or do not have dogs.  Since most
>> governing boards in cohousing work at the behest of the membership the
>> membership is the body that sets "the rules" ... O!  Excuse moi!  I meant
>> "guidelines."  :-)
>>
>> I'm probably missing something glaringly obvious so do fill me in.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Woof!
>>
>> Best --
>>
>> Ann Zabaldo
>> Takoma Village Cohousing
>> Washington, DC
>> Principal, Cohousing Collaborative, LLC
>> Falls Church VA
>> 703 663 3911
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Wayne Tyson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> CoHo:
>>>
>>> What is the proportion of dog owners to non-owners among the respondents
>>> to
>>> this thread and its sub-threads?
>>>
>>> What is the proportion of dog owners to non-owners on this list at large?
>>>
>>> What is the proportion of dog owners to non-owners on the governing
>>> boards?
>>>
>>> Thank you for your responses,
>>>
>>> WT
>
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