Re: Consensus, Majority Vote, "Blocks" [was Report on Survey of Cohousing Communities 2011. Just released. A must read! | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: drmaryann99 (drmaryann99mac.com) | |
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:16:30 -0700 (PDT) |
Here at Manzanita Village our consensus process requires that anyone blocking a proposal do so because it violates our stated vision/mission, is dangerous or illegal, etc. You can't block simply because you don't "like" the proposal. If the block can't be resolved in the meeting, the blocker(s) are asked to prepare a counter-proposal to present at a future meeting. In theory the counter-proposal should satisfy the issues dealt with by the original proposal while including the concerns of the blocker. However, we recently had a situation where the counter-proposal was to completely reject the original proposal as a bad idea. After consideration by the community, that counter-proposal won consensus. Sometime, individuals are slow to get involved with the process but they also have a piece of the truth and may bring additional thoughts/feelings/ideas/etc. to the group. So just because someone is late to the process, it shouldn't mean that can't be included in the decision--as difficult that is for those who have already spent a lot of time on the issues. What we've had to learn is how to deal with blocks in such a way that we don't give an individual or a small group the power to veto actions or policies the larger group wants--the tyranny of the minority. Mary Ann On Sep 25, 2011, at 9:09 AM, R Philip Dowds wrote: > > Okay, I won't worry about "rights", but I will still have a difficulty with > "bad manners". As much as I want to believe in consensus and total equality > of all participants, all the time, I still can't fully acclimate myself to > the arrogance and bad manners of those who chose to ignore six months of > proposal development, but then show up the general meeting of all, and block > a proposal because they don't "like" it. If you can't support a proposal ... > where were you when your well-intentioned, hard-working neighbors were trying > to craft it? > > RPD > > On Sep 25, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Elizabeth Magill wrote: > >> >> Remember the goal is a decision everyone supports. Not just a decision. >> So worrying about "rights" is the wrong focus. >> >> I certainly try to either trust the group writing the proposal, or to join >> it. >> >> But no one is helping the group by "going along" and then complaining about, >> downplaying, or not following it later. >> >> -liz 508-450-0431 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Sep 25, 2011, at 11:04 AM, R Philip Dowds <rpdowds [at] comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I would go further: Members who did not actually participate in the >>> crafting of a proposal should think really hard — like, I mean, really, >>> really hard — before they block it in a community-wide meeting. Weak >>> participation = diminished rights. (Yes?) >>> >>> RPD >>> >>> On Sep 24, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Sharon Villines wrote: >>> >>>> Any person who has an objection must explain it so it can be addressed and >>>> must participate in the process of resolving it. >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: >>> http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ >>> >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: >> http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ > > -- Wisdom is knowing what to do next, skill is knowing how to do it, and virtue is doing it. David Starr Jordan Mary Ann Clark drmaryann49 [at] mac.com http://homepage.mac.com/drmaryann/index.htm
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- Re: Consensus, Majority Vote, "Blocks" [was Report on Survey of Cohousing Communities 2011. Just released. A must read! R Philip Dowds, September 25 2011
- Re: Consensus, Majority Vote, "Blocks" [was Report on Survey of Cohousing Communities 2011. Just released. A must read! Elizabeth Magill, September 25 2011
- Re: Consensus, Majority Vote, "Blocks" [was Report on Survey of Cohousing Communities 2011. Just released. A must read! R Philip Dowds, September 25 2011
- Re: Consensus, Majority Vote, "Blocks" [was Report on Survey of Cohousing Communities 2011. Just released. A must read! drmaryann99, September 25 2011
- Re: Consensus, Majority Vote, "Blocks" [was Report on Survey of Cohousing Communities 2011. Just released. A must read! Sharon Villines, September 25 2011
- Re: Consensus, Majority Vote, "Blocks" [was Report on Survey of Cohousing Communities 2011. Just released. A must read! bonnie Fergusson, September 25 2011
- Re: Consensus, Majority Vote, "Blocks" [was Report on Survey of Cohousing Communities 2011. Just released. A must read! Moz, September 25 2011
- Re: Consensus, Majority Vote, "Blocks" [was Report on Survey of Cohousing Communities 2011. Just released. A must read! Sharon Villines, September 26 2011
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