Re: Smoking Policies
From: R Philip Dowds (
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 03:40:01 -0800 (PST)
I have a mini-SUV, the Subaru Outback (3,650 lbs, less than two short tons).  
But in the spring, it will turn into a Prius.


PS:  A fun version of the Serenity Prayer is available in verse ...

For every ailment under the sun,
There is a remedy, or there is none.
If there be one, try to find it;
If there be none, never mind it.
                                                        Mother Goose

On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:45 AM, Thomas Lofft wrote:

> "Hey OK, dangerous fumes, big problem, yes. Many environmentalists think that 
> coal-fired power plants and two-ton SUVs create more dangerous fumes than 
> cigarettes. Fumes that are quite likely to dramatically change climate 
> conditions around the world, and bring grief to hundreds of millions, perhaps 
> billions, of people. The evidence known to me shows that carbon dioxide 
> emissions from power plants and single-occupant passenger tanks are far, far 
> more dangerous than second-hand smoke.
> So, if I were going to charge off and seek to put the kibosh on dangerous 
> fumes, I wouldn't start with smoking in the private residences of my coho 
> community. Unfortunately, in the instance of greenhouse gasses, the burden of 
> proof IS on the consumer, not the producer, of fumes."
> AS I REFLECT on these comments, I agree that I would not allow any of the 
> three in my living room. So far, I have been very successful. As a cohousing 
> development partner, I also have enough influence to keep smoking out of our 
> common house, carbon fuel power plants off our property (We have every home 
> heated and cooled by geothermal ground source heat pump systems) and coal 
> fired SUV's out of our parking lots.  But we have not yet found an SUV as 
> small as only 2 tons. That would be a good idea in itself. 
> Remember the Serenity Prayer:  "God grant me the serenity to accept the 
> things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to 
> know the difference." I understand this was not an opinion shared by Don 
> Quixote. 
> I define 'dangerous fumes' as those most likely to immediately affect my 
> heart, lungs, brain and palate. We have also avoided any wood burning 
> fireplaces simply by educating ourselves as to the probability of cancerous 
> emissions of wood smoke.  So far, no one has proposed a fossil fuel burning 
> power plant either. 
> Many thanks for sharing opinions and the opportunity to live in a nation 
> where it's possible.
> Tom Lofft
> Liberty Village, MD
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