Re: listserve management
From: Hans G Ehrbar (
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 13:27:04 -0700 (PDT)
It is not necessary to switch away from Mailman, because this is a problem not 
only for
mailman but for all mailing lists.  I think Mailman has made some changes
which deal with the problem in a tolerable way.  To take advantage of these 
changes, things
are simplest if you can convince the ISP to upgrade to Mailman 2.1.18.  Then 
the list administrator
has to go into the general list options page
and change the from_is_list setting to either 'Mung From' or 'Wrap Message'.
I have experience with the Mung From setting, this works well.
the Wrap Message option makes it more difficult for the recipients because
they have to click every time in order to see the messages.

If the mailman version is 2.1.16 or higher but less than 2.1.18, things are a 
little more complicated
for the ISP but identical for the list admin, see

Hans Ehrbar,
Wasatch Commons in SLC

From: Cohousing-L [ [at]] on behalf of Sharon Villines [sharon [at]]
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 1:08 PM
To: Cohousing-L Cohousing-L
Subject: Re: [C-L]_ listserve management

Email communications on lists has become a major mess. I have a list of 2300 
members with an average of 900 messages a month. The number of combinations of 
email providers (yahoo, google, AOL, Earthlink, RCN, ATT, etc.) combined with 
all the ways of reading -- on the web, on an email reader, on a phone, on a 
public computer, etc.

Access and processing has become so complex it is impossible for me to help 
people with all their email problems. The addition of spam protection has 
increased the complexities of everything. I also publish two email newsletters 
and cringe when I send new issues because I will be invariably blacklisted by 
one ISP or another because they are treated as spam.

On top of all that YahooGroups is going through upheavals in an effort to adapt 
to the smartphone market. Settings and menus are changed without notice. If I 
thought Google would be any better, I would move the whole list, but I don't 
think it is.

If I add people to Yahoo, they don't have to have a Yahoo account unless they 
want to read on the web. To access the YahooGroups website, they have to have a 
user name and sign in. They don't have ot have a Yahoo email account. New 
subscribers don't have to give all the contact information Yahoo will ask for 
and can go the privacy settings and opt out of marketing newsletters.

The programs for handling your own lists require programming knowledge. Even if 
the software is totally easy to use, you have to speak geek to understand the 

Forums do not replace email lists. A totally different animal.

I don't know a solution. For us, it's a wait and hope it settles down. Like a 
volcano that erupts every few decades.

Sharon Villines
Takoma Village Cohousing, Washington DC

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