Re: Preparing for electric cars on site
From: Catya Belfer (catyapobox.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:33:53 -0800 (PST)
On the bright side, one charger can probably cover 4 spots if you get the
nice long cord on it :)

     - cat

Catya Belfer   -  www.catya.org
Technical Director   -   www.cohousing.org
Cohousing in MA - www.mosaic-commons.org

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Diana Carroll <dianaecarroll [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Well, yes...I anticipate there will be some, ah, spirited discussion
> between the people in the two camps you describe.  :-)
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Jerry McIntire <jerry.mcintire [at] 
> gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Diana, if you add EV charging spots in your general parking areas, just
> put
> > them in the "bad" (more distant) spots-- or if the community wants to
> > encourage EV ownership, put them in the "good" locations. Either way,
> > prohibit non-EV's from parking in those spots. A blocked charger is of no
> > use-- though they can be located between two spots, so they can be
> accessed
> > from either.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Jerry McIntire
> > Stone's Throw Ecovillage, in the heart of Wisconsin's beautiful Driftless
> > region
> > http://stonesthrowcommunity.wordpress.com/
> > 1-608-637-6620
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Diana Carroll <dianaecarroll [at] 
> > gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > We, mosaic commons, unfortunately did not prepare for electric cars so
> we
> > > are now having to figure it out after the fact.
> > >
> > > In our community, we have two types of parking: carports, which were
> > > optional to purchase at the beginning, and general parking lot parking
> > for
> > > those who don't have carports.
> > >
> > >   The carports have electricity already installed.  Each carport houses
> > 4-6
> > > cars, but the circuit that provides the electricity has enough power
> for
> > > one or at most two electric cars. (This is the "we didn't plan for
> this"
> > > issue.)
> > >
> > > So far, two people have purchased electric cars, and both happen to be
> > > people who already owned spots in carports...separate carports,
> > > conveniently.
> > >
> > > We required those two owners to install an electricity monitoring
> device
> > to
> > > keep track of how much electricity their cars use, and reimburse the
> > > community for the cost of that electricity. This works out okay for now
> > > when we have just the two, but totally doesn't scale.
> > >
> > > There's a group in our community working on plans to build an
> additional
> > > carport. ( fortunately we do have space for this.). The new carport
> would
> > > be built with sufficient electricity for all the spots to have electric
> > > cars.  This will give us an additional 6 or so spots suitable for
> > electric
> > > cars, but will only be available to those who can afford the purchase
> of
> > a
> > > carport, which is in the vicinity of $8k.
> > >
> > > With the new carport in place, our community of 34 units will be able
> to
> > > support some 10-12 electric cars.  If we need more than that, we are
> > going
> > > to have to do some serious thinking about economical ways to address
> the
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > Less technically difficult but perhaps more challenging are the social
> > > ramifications: other than those with carports, our community parking is
> > > undesignated, and the "best" spots (those closest to the units) are
> taken
> > > on a first come first served basis.  (Hotly contested, let me tell
> you!).
> > > If we set up charging spots outside of carports, how do we make sure
> that
> > > the people with electric cars can access those spots when needed?  Do
> we
> > > reserve them just for individuals with electric cars?  Is that fair to
> > > everyone else, who are now competing for even fewer "good" spots in the
> > > lot?  We have not yet addressed these questions but I'm guessing before
> > the
> > > decade is out we will need to.
> > >
> > > Hope this is helpful.
> > >
> > > Diana
> > >
> > > On Saturday, February 14, 2015, mburkel [at] juno.com <mburkel [at] 
> > > juno.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Winslow Cohousing is beginning to recognize that electric cars are
> here
> > > > and have started working on a plan.  I see a 2010 cohousing-L posting
> > > that
> > > > asked many of our questions but received NO responses.  In case more
> > > > communities have looked at the issues since then, I'm restarting that
> > > > thread.  Our shared electric car died several years ago and hasn't
> been
> > > > replaced but 2 members now have electric cars on site and more are
> > > > expected. From 2010:"I wonder what Cohousing communities are doing to
> > > > prepare for electric vehicles, owhich are likely to become more
> common
> > as
> > > > the plug-in hybrids (Nissan Leaf and Chevy Volt) become available. On
> > > this
> > > > list there are a few references to individual with electric cars, but
> > not
> > > > much in detail or in the last couple of years.
> > > >  Questions: Where will such cars be parked?How many spaces are you
> > > > planning for?Who will pay for the infrastructure (outlets, etc)?How
> > will
> > > > the electricity used by paid for (metered or flat fee paid by the
> > owner,
> > > or
> > > > paid by the community)?Are there objections in the community to
> > > supporting
> > > > electric cars (Examples: "Internal combustion vehicles are more
> > > > eco-friendly." Or, "Electric cars will be acceptable only after we
> put
> > in
> > > > the infrastructure to capture/generate renewable energy ourselves.")?
> > > Marci
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