Re: Diversity - apodment shared kitchen thread
From: Liz Ryan Cole (
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 11:16:38 -0700 (PDT)
I am surprised (and pleased) to see the conversation around shared kitchens - 
and purpose built shared homes.

I wonder if one of the problems that Groundswell had was of expectations  - we 
are hoping that some of the apodments (at least) will be owner occupied 
(perhaps in a coop format) and we also hope that people WILL move in and 
eventually on, as grad students and singles and couples in their ’20’s and 
’30’s live there, and have the chance to learn about cohousing before moving 
(and maybe becoming advocates for cohousing themselves).

liz  (who lived in two different collective houses in the ’60’s and 70’s 
including living with 4 kids - loved it!  )
Pinnacle Cohousing
Lyme, NH

Pinnacle Cohousing

On Aug 6, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Kathryn McCamant <kmccamant [at]> wrote:

When I read Beverly description of the Yarrow EcoVillage shares suites, it 
makes me wonder have people totally forgotten how to work things out together?  
For a decade in my twenties, I lived in shared houses of 4+ people, shared 
bathrooms and kitchen. We worked it out, and often had fabulous community 
dinners.  It was just the most affordable way to live, but we also had fun. 

Kathryn McCamant, President
CoHousing Solutions
Nevada City, CA 95959
T.530.478.1970  C.916.798.4755

On 8/5/18, 2:51 PM, "Cohousing-L on behalf of Beverly Jones Redekop" 
< [at] on 
behalf of beverly.jones.redekop [at]> wrote:

   "Pinnacle Cohousing is finally (after years of zoning problems) looking for
   members (aiming to have our first stage move in Fall 2019), and one part of
   our design is apodments - 3 sharing a kitchen (there will part-time kitchen
   steward, probably someone who lives here, but not necessarily, who will
   help organize leftovers, kitchen organization, etc.  With designed shared
   housing, using a pod model, we may make some of our homes slightly more
   affordable.  We also hope to have a few of the units be rentals."

   Groundswell Cohousing at Yarrow Ecovillage allowed a pair of
   member/investors to build "the quad" which sounds exactly like your
   apodments.  Four  units have individual large bathrooms and a shared
   kitchen and living room.

   It is one of the worst ideas we ever had around here.  We keep burning out
   members of the welcome team because it is such a drag to keep orienting the
   transient people as they move in and out of the quad.

   Adults don't like sharing kitchens and they move out the second they can.

   Build bachelor suites with tiny bathrooms and kitchenettes, but this shared
   kitchen bother is a source of endless friction and drama.

   If you built tiny bachelor suites, residents could still use the common
   house kitchen for larger projects when they were in a shared kitchen mood,
   but they would have their own little kitchenette for when they want to eat
   breakfast in their underwear or when they feel a bit unwell and want to be
   able to leave a couple of dirty dishes in the sink for a day or two.

   You could also build your two-bedroom units to have dual master suites,
   allowing owners to rent out the second master suite as desired.  Two
   parties can share a kitchen, especially when one party is the
   owner/investor who is choosing and hosting the renter.

   Four unrelated parties who all have equal responsibility or lack thereof
   for the space....they move out all the time.  They move out as soon as they

   Our biggest wish here is for the four owners (none of whom live in the unit
   anymore -- see above where I say that people move out as soon as they can)
   to coordinate to renovate the quad into two conventional two-story

   There is nothing wrong with renters or roommates, but a purpose-built space
   is a mistake best avoided.

   Beverly, former member of welcoming team, quit because of pointlessness of
   welcoming the revolving carousel of the quad

   It feels sad to welcome people whom you know won't stay.

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Liz Ryan Cole
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