Re: Question: Religious/spiritual practices
From: Sharon Villines (sharonsharonvillines.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 19:54:56 -0700 (PDT)
Fred is on vacation so we can’t disable her account until he gets back — it 
should be momentarily.

If there is someone who can contact Liz in some way other than email, you could 
let her know to stop her subscription or turn off her autoresponder.

Sorry,
Sharon

> On Sep 7, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Liz Ryan Cole via Cohousing-L <cohousing-l [at] 
> cohousing.org> wrote:
> 
> I am away from email until Friday night Sept 7.  
> 
> On Sep 7, 2018, at 9:53 PM, Liz Ryan Cole via Cohousing-L <cohousing-l [at] 
> cohousing.org> wrote:
> 
>> I am away from email until Friday night Sept 7.  
>> 
>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 2:10 PM, Sharon Villines via Cohousing-L <cohousing-l 
>> [at] cohousing.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you to Kathy for writing such a nice statement (copied below). I think 
>> it should be preserved somewhere for new communities to adopt. We came to 
>> the same thing after a few years of contention. Holiday celebrations depend 
>> on a person to organize them but all holiday celebrations are welcome.
>> 
>> I'm particularly interested in how this related to common meals given the
>> practice in many religions of praying prior to eating.
>> 
>> Praying before eating comes closer to observing religious practices in 
>> “public” like the experience we had with Quaker and Friday night Shabbat 
>> services. We have an open CH so all these are taking place while other 
>> people get their mail, go to the kids room, cook dinner, etc. I don’t know 
>> how many people felt this way but some felt uncomfortable walking by a 
>> religious service and not participating or acknowledging it. At least 
>> whispering or not talking at all—and this isn’t normal in the CH. Both 
>> groups stopped meeting there — perhaps they were uncomfortable too.
>> 
>> Praying can be done quietly, even silently. We have had residents who 
>> routinely bowed their heads a moment before eating. One couple who clasped 
>> hands. Both were quick and hardly noticeable.
>> 
>> Having been raised in the protestant tradition, I stop whatever I’m doing 
>> when people are praying. To not do so would feel disrespectful. But at the 
>> same time, I would not like to be frozen by a long prayer, amens, and 
>> obvious hand clasping in air.
>> 
>> I think the best way to explore this is what are other people supposed to do 
>> while you pray, and are they comfortable doing that? Is it possible to 
>> ignore you? Does it go on so long that everything else has to stop for an 
>> obvious period of time? Are you imposing on others? How do Jewish members 
>> feel about being subjected to Christian prayers. Two women organized a 
>> lovely celebratory Christmas dinner, except that they passed out hymns that 
>> were too obviously Christian. Everyone is welcome at all of the celebrations 
>> but they usually don’t require doing anything that requires worship.
>> 
>> I’m reminded of discussions here in the 1990s about polyamory and making it 
>> obvious in the CH. I think it is fortunate that that seems to have passed on.
>> 
>> Sharon
>> Takoma Village
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 1:01 PM, Kathy Tymoczko <kathy.tymoczko [at] gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We don't have any official policy at Daybreak, but we celebrate any
>> holidays, traditions, etc. that anyone wants to celebrate.  One of the
>> statements in our Vision Statement says "Welcoming, honoring and sharing a
>> diversity of experience, wisdom, heritage, beliefs and spiritual paths".
>> We've had Passover seders (with readings), Chinese New Year dinners, a
>> sukkah on the lawn with dinners held inside it, Thanksgiving, Easter, and
>> Christmas potlucks.  We always have an expedition to cut down a Christmas
>> tree for the Common House, and then an afternoon of cookie baking,
>> decorating, eating, tree decoration making, tree decorating, carol
>> singing.  We usually have a menorah or two in the great room in our Common
>> House during Hanukkah.  We've had a Swedish midsummer celebration with
>> flower wreaths and maypole and Swedish food.  We always do a winter
>> solstice dinner with a light extinguishing/relighting ceremony where people
>> talk about the endings and beginnings in their lives.  It's pretty much up
>> to individuals who care about a tradition to organize whatever events they
>> care about.
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Muriel Kranowski <murielk [at] vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> It just doesn't come up / isn't addressed here. From a practical
>> standpoint, since there's a good-sized contingent of people going to church
>> on Sunday morning, it's very rare for anything to be scheduled on Sunday
>> morning or midday, but I don't think that's the kind of thing you're asking
>> about.
>>   Muriel @ Shadowlake Village
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Karen Gimnig <gimnig [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is a "help with content for the new website" request.
>> 
>> Given that most cohousing communities include members from a variety of
>> religious and spiritual traditions, I'm curious how these are expressed,
>> honored, addressed.
>> 
>> I'm particularly interested in how this related to common meals given the
>> practice in many religions of praying prior to eating. Happy to gather
>> thoughts on other aspects of religious or spiritual practice as well.
>> Hoping to get a variety of stories and examples.
>> 
>> In Community,
>> Karen Gimnig
>> Professional Facilitator
>> 678-705-9007
>> www.karengimnig.net
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>> Kathy Tymoczko
>> Daybreak Cohousing <http://www.daybreakcohousing.org>
>> Portland, Oregon
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