|Re: Shared Internet [was HOA Dues Structures||<– Date –> <– Thread –>|
|From: Yochai Gal (yochaigalgmail.com)|
|Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 05:58:03 -0700 (PDT)|
This setup sounds ideal, though I'd still push for internal access points for each household. I have multiple APs (all Ubiquiti) in my home, and Zoom works flawlessly basically anywhere. That is one reason why I'd go with a Ubiquiti AirOS option over their standard Unifi units. In my experience it handles point-to-point connections better (I've done this for solar inverter deployments a few times). Who manages the network at your community? Are they compensated somehow? Is there an external MSP that manages any aspect? Thanks. On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 8:35 AM Henning Mortensen <hmortensen [at] gmail.com> wrote: > At Prairie Spruce with 21 units we began with a single 300/140 feed. We had > intended to get another similar feed from another provider > but found that we are not using near the bandwidth I was expecting. Usually > we are using less than 10 mbps. If we ever need more we will pursue > load balancing and failover at that time. I am still seeing 280/120 at my > computer. 280 mbps is plenty speedy. > > We have deployed 7 ubiquiti uap-ap-pro wifi points and have connection > almost everywhere in the building. (even in the workshop). > We also have wired internet to each of the 21 units. > > I have had a number of complaints that the wifi was not strong enough for > zoom and such. I find the wifi will connect at distance but the speed is > reduced. > I recommend that people use the wired internet as much as possible. Wifi > works for email and browsing, but you need to be close to the access point > to stream video. Our radios are in the hallway between the units so the > signal has to go through walls and such. > > When talking with your providers, you should talk about providing wifi in > the common house. I was able to get one feed for the whole building by > emphasizing that we are a corporation and we need internet for our common > house. In the end the provider wired the connection right into our computer > room/closet, and proposed a contract with us that reduced our total cost to > $75/month ($3.50/unit) for the first five years > > We then replaced the three telephones which were installed for enterphone, > elevator and alarm monitoring with Voip phones and saved $120/month so it > is as though our internet is free. > We use voip.ms It is very inexpensive. We spent 1.30 for the last six > months of enterphone. As the elevator and alarm are only calling out to > 1-800 number there is no charge for those calls. Voip.ms has a > referal service where both the referer and the referee get an extra $10 > credit with this we ended up with $45 in our enterphone account, $25 in > each of the other two for a total spend of $45. I would be happy to provide > the initial referal. Once you have the first account set up, use that to > set up the others. > > please note that using our voip for elevator and alarm monitoring was only > done after we had battery backup for both the voip and also the internet > service. Our system will run for 30 minutes during a power outage. > > Another thing that we did was to wire up our boiler and ERV using Bacnet/IP > to transmit the data over our network. We use a Bacnet Explorer to read all > sorts of telemetry from these devices. > It is really handy to be able to see what the systems are doing. We have > sort of hooked up a poorman's BAS system, something we removed from our > build in rightsizing the project (it was going to cost 50,000. So far we > have spent ~$200, to be able to retrieve, log, and graph the information > these systems provide. This is not all full BAS system, as we can not > control the devices at this point, we can only read the data. > > Well, I hope I have given you something to think about. I have really > enjoyed setting things up for my community. Am happy to help anyone trying > to do the same. > Henning Mortensen > > ps. We were able to find used gigabit switches for $30. These are first > generation gigabit switches but they work well. We use DLink dgs1024 > switches. They are a bit power hungry but we can work on that as we > upgrade. > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 12:59 PM Yochai Gal <yochaigal [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello. I'm a network engineer/sysadmin by trade, so this interests me > > highly. > > > > Is that 200/20 each unit, or total? And aside from the WAN failover > between > > the two ISPs, do you also Do load balancing (e.g. combine both > connections > > for a faster connection)? > > > > 200/20 shared between 34 units is paltry for that size, even considering > > low-usage per household. Frankly I'd be amazed if this was the case. The > > biggest issue would be the upload speed, but even then 200Mbps down split > > 34 ways with average usage isn't ideal. > > > > The city our community resides in (Northampton, MA) is considering > > community fiber, but until then we are sort of stuck with Comcast cable > per > > household, unfortunately. > > > > Thanks for the info! > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 2:26 PM Sharon Villines via Cohousing-L < > > cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> wrote: > > > > > > On Sep 1, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Yochai Gal <yochaigal [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > You have a shared Internet plan? > > > > Can you expound on that? > > > > > > We initially wired all our units for internet connections just like we > > did > > > for telephone connections. We went through many iterations of things to > > > find out what worked. We had to find the balance between being a > business > > > and being a residential complex. > > > > > > Finally ended up with 2 business-class modem accounts from 2 providers, > > > Comcast and RCN. When one service is out, the other is still working. > > > Because they are business class, we get faster service if there are > modem > > > problems. > > > > > > We have 200/20 service and it serves all 43 units plus the CH very > well. > > > That’s with everyone home now and doing streaming as well as computer > > work. > > > > > > The future is wireless so you might not need wired at all. We now have > > > wireless connections everywhere—I think 3 routers reach most units. > Some > > > wireless routers owned by the community and several people having their > > own > > > but they share them. > > > > > > This is much much cheaper than everyone having their own service, and > > > certainly cheaper than everyone having their own 200.20 service. You > can > > > calculate this by going to your local cable provider’s website. > > > > > > Sharon > > > ---- > > > Sharon Villines > > > Takoma Village Cohousing, Washington DC > > > http://www.takomavillage.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > > > http://L.cohousing.org/info > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > > http://L.cohousing.org/info > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > http://L.cohousing.org/info > > > >
- Re: Shared Internet [was HOA Dues Structures, (continued)
- Re: Shared Internet [was HOA Dues Structures Henning Mortensen, September 6 2020
- Re: Shared Internet [was HOA Dues Structures Yochai Gal, September 7 2020
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