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From: Thomas Lofft (tlofft![]() |
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 14:16:12 -0800 (PST) |
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 08:25:10 -0500 Douglas McCarroll list.cohousing-l.001 [at] brightworks.com wrote: Subject: Re: [C-L]_ [C-L] Common house design, rooms, and room sizes? [A few of you have suggested, or asked whether we've done, a common house survey. Yes, we have. Mary Kraus of Kraus-Fitch Architects has led us in a series of workshops and one of these workshops was focused on our common house. IMO these workshops were extremely helpful. In our common house workshop Mary recommended that we have a common house with at least 3500 square feet of space. (We have 32 households in our community.) We ended up with 4500 square foot design, and this was after a somewhat painful prioritization process. In other words, we had more needs and desires than our budget would allow, and we felt the 4500 feet was as high as we could go. But we ended up with a design that we felt was 'mostly finished' and 'mostly satisfactory'. At least, that's my sense of how the group felt. Then we learned that other aspects of our project (site infrastructure in particular) are going to cost more than we'd estimated, and are facing the prospect of unit prices going up ~10% on average. So now we're trying to be creative and look at all possible avenues for cost reduction. Several of you have suggested that we not skimp, and this sounds like good advice. On the other hand we're concerned that higher prices could mean that some people, including people that we already consider to be a part of our community, may be priced out. So we need to be creative and balance competing needs.] I read your post on Cohousing-L today. Very interesting to me. In my experience, a common house need to be in the range of 100 to 135 sq. feet per household in the community, mostly constrained by your budget and schedule. I worked with Sharon Villines, a frequent contributor to CH-L, on developing a co-ho project in Delray Beach in 1999. I came in as a take-over project manager long after the community design had been completed. As it turned out, the project was designed without introspective consideration of a budget. It was driven by aesthetic and emotional wants rather than affordability and needs. At the final decision point, it was considerably above the affordability level and the members were so enamored of the grandiose design with which they had fallen in love, that they were unwilling to accept redesign down to their level of affordability. I'm still developing cohousing with exactly the same challenge: but our issue 15 years later is completing a project with less expensive homes where the infrastructure is already in place, lots are platted, and we primarily need to produce affordable, smaller homes for a current market that has fewer children and needs smaller homes than were originally constructed. Http://www.libertyvillage,com When we started Liberty Village, we were very sensitive to what we could afford. Our quandary was whether to build the first half of the community and half of a common house, requiring later grading and utility extensions to complete additional infrastructure before we could build another phase of houses and complete the community. Our decision was to invest our money in infrastructure for all 38 homes and postpone a common house to a later phase, hopefully after we had built several homes and had replenished cash reserves from lot sales. Meanwhile we have been using temporary rented facilities for community space. Fortunately, our lender put a harness on our ambition and would lend us enough for the infrastructure, but would not advance another $500,000 to build a common house in advance of more lot sales. We have been solvent since the beginning, still are, and have 10 platted lots ready to build with sewer and water taps readily available. If your group is very interested in joining an active functioning community which is very sensitive to incorporating everyone's opinion, give us a call. My budgetary perspective is that the total budget has to be based upon the total home affordability of all the established and committed members. Of that budget, 25% is the maximum for land, 15% is the maximum for the common house and other front end capital facilities; leaving 60% for the homes and soft costs which can be severe, depending upon how expensive the local government levies will be upon your startup. If you aren't staying within those constraints, your budget is unrealistic and unaffordable. A realistic budget based upon needs is more important than trying to meet everyone's emotional wants. The quandary may be trying to balance needs and wants: Maybe you need more members, but want to get started now? Maybe you want larger homes, but can't afford them? Maybe you built a grandiose common house because that was what you wanted, but now can't afford the utility and maintenance expenses and are now faced with growing capital costs for repairs? Maybe your younger members have all moved on to colleges and now you need to remodel homes for senior living accessibility, but that was not on the original needs list? Best wishes for more wisdom and foresight in planning your community. It will be less expensive than hindsight. Tom Lofft Liberty Village, MD
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