Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: Co-Living Survey

[Graham Freeman (graham]

And yet, he's asking questions in order to get to know this better.

This strong negative response to a newcomer who is seeking to gain
knowledge is offputting. It resembles the NIMBYism typically seen on
Nextdoor.

I think a bit of inclusion, and assuming good intentions, wouldn't hurt.

Graham


On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 09:47, Lynne MARKELL <lmarkell [at] rogers.com> wrote:

> Totally inappropriate as the features for a co-living commercial building
> are very different from features in a cohousing community.
> Obviously doesn't know the field very well.
>
> Lynne Markell,
> Lmarkell [at] rogers.com
> (613) 842-5222
>
>
>
> > On Mar 7, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Fiona Frank <fionafrank [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I asked him who ‘we’ is and he replied :
> >
> > “We are ux designers from general assembly in New York. We are designing
> an
> > app for the launch of a national Co living company and we want to make
> sure
> > we add the features that users want.
> >
> > Thanks”
> >
> > Hmmm!
> > Dwayne
> >
> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 10:34 AM Fiona Frank <fionafrank [at] gmail.com> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> What is your team?
> >
> >
> >> On Saturday, 7 March 2020, Ann Zabaldo <zabaldo [at] earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you Raines for your quick response to this query from Dwayne.
> >> Speaking for myself, — and I am unanimous in this.. :-) —after years
> >> working in the Cohousing field I assume everybody is coming from the
> same
> >> place I am i.e. sharing information of all kinds.  When a cohousing
> >> community is built everyone benefits — i’m all for that whoever is
> building
> >> it.
> >>
> >> And ... there are people and institutions out there in the world that
> >> would take advantage of the blood sweat and tears (lots of tears...)
> we’ve
> >> put into this movement.
> >>
> >> So Raines… I am really glad you asked the questions that you did. I also
> >> like the way you characterized this listserv. And, if Dwayne or anyone
> else
> >> falls within our loosely defined organizational standards I trust we
> will
> >> support them and their queries as we do everyone else.
> >>
> >> Ann Zabaldo
> >> Takoma Village Cohousing
> >> Member of the board  Mid Atlantic Cohousing
> >> Washington DC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> All tiipos ... curtesy of Siri  :-)
> >>
> >>> On Mar 7, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Raines Cohen <rc3-coho-L [at] raines.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Welcome to the world of cohousing, Dwayne. Nice of you to drop into
> our
> >>> decades-long-established link for conversations about community.
> >>>
> >>> However, I do need to call out a few things you've done (or neglected)
> >> that
> >>> don't comport with the standards for this list:
> >>>
> >>> 1. You never say who the "we" is - in your message or on the form. A
> >>> startup? A think tank? An established business in the space? A
> >> consultancy
> >>> serving one or more? Based where? With any background in particular
> >>> communities? We are a conversational community, and we have more
> >>> meaningful conversations when we have context for where your questions
> >> are
> >>> coming from and what overlaps.
> >>>
> >>> 2. Cohousing is shared neighborhoods with separate private homes, most
> >>> often in a condo homeownership model. The example you link to, and the
> >> term
> >>> "co-living" (often as a hashtag without the hyphen), are shared homes
> >> with
> >>> private or shared rooms, with shared facilities. Closer to boarding
> >> houses.
> >>> Very different in nature, and I rather suspect that any answers we
> >> provide
> >>> will be like comparing apples and oranges if you're trying to aggregate
> >>> data.
> >>>
> >>> 3. The form says the data will only be used for "research," but doesn't
> >>> identify what sort, who will have access to it, whether the required
> >> email
> >>> address and other Personally Identifiable Information will be linked to
> >>> responses, the sort of things that are required to be disclosed in
> >> academic
> >>> human-subjects research supervision, and are slowly starting to be
> >> required
> >>> in marketing in some states and countries. If you truly want to learn
> >> from
> >>> established data about the cohousing world, please engage with the
> >>> Cohousing Research Network - part of their mission is to provide a
> single
> >>> shared repository of data so we all aren't answering the same basic
> >>> questions over and over again for every student working on a project.
> >>>
> >>> I note that by the final page of the survey, several screens in, you
> ask
> >>> whether the respondent is willing to be contacted for an interview or
> >> 30-45
> >>> minute call. So it sounds like this is an intake form for market
> research
> >>> panels, and it might be better for folks to know that before they start
> >>> filling it out.
> >>>
> >>> Nice of you to pop in, but if you want true engagement with our
> community
> >>> of communities, please meet us with actual dialog and conversation and
> >>> context. As it is, I can't recommend that our 5000+ East Bay Cohousing
> >>> members, or others on this list, respond.
> >>>
> >>> Raines Cohen, Cohousing Coach
> >>> East Bay Cohousing / Cohousing CA
> >>> right now more focused on how to keep our communities safe and
> accessible
> >>> for all - see the WebChats scheduled for the next two weeks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:08 PM Dwayne McFarlane <dwaine18 [at] 
> >>>>> gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Hello All,
> >>>> My team would like to interview individuals or couples that currently
> >> live
> >>>> in co-living or community themed housings - Think common.com. If you
> >> can
> >>>> help, please take the quick screener survey linked below.
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Dwayne
> >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf-f9W_
> >> AeQFiSCHKjSr67LCpX64L7VwC5LADoFRtgr0-FD-pQ/viewform
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