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From: CJ Q (homeschoolvideogmail.com) | |
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 10:57:28 -0700 (PDT) |
Sharon, this is so interesting. Will you put this in a blog post? So much information. I remember finding it strange in Europe that some people lived in upscale hotels but I hear many people are living in hotels since they are cheaper than retirement communities - that's now here in the US. Thanks for sharing it all! Carol On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 1:13 PM Sharon Villines via Cohousing-L < cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> wrote: > > On Aug 1, 2021, at 8:12 AM, Ty Albright via Cohousing-L < > cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> wrote: > > > > Real estate development is a complicated highly risky venture.Costs > increase when mistakes are made - a professional can help you avoid > mistakes.It’s been my experience that people don’t want to pay for a real > estate professional - the thinking is that a group of smart people can > figure it out - which they can .... as they bungle through making mistakes > that could have been avoided with the benefit of experience. > > Just read a book that was initially exciting (if a book on real estate can > be exciting) and then sort of depressing. “High Life: Condo Living in the > Suburban Century” by Matthew Gordon Lasne discussing the history of > owner-occupied multi-household dwellings int the US. 200+ years of real > estate strategies and failures. The largest number of communities and > legal structures peaked in the 1920s. > > https://amzn.to/3CbxEdj > > I didn’t know that families lived in hotels. A strange concept but from > the early 1800s on they did. One reason for eliminating the large lobby in > condos was to avoid the social life that women played out there. A daily > parade of finery and friends and gossip. > > All the things we talk about as struggles in cohousing were struggles then > — not just the usual risk of building something not knowing if anyone wants > it, but also: > > 1. Negative perceptions of shared anything > 2. Financial interdependence with strangers > 3. People only willing to commit after it is built and proven successful > 4. Difficulty with financing — had to presell from 35-70% of units > 5. Poor self-governance — board treated like a landlord. > > The stories of difficulties are exactly the same. (You heard it here > first!) > > The focus is on huge real estate developments — hundreds of units built > and financed by corporations. But hey are advertised the same way as > cohousing. Peace and quiet, cozy, great people, social activities, shared > golf courses, control over quality of lifestyle, etc. Quality construction > and design. There was a whole period of cooperative “home clubs” that sound > like country clubs. At this point, people began appearing in the ads. > Previously they had only emphasized the grandeur of the buildings. > > Fifty artists and writers came together in Greenwich Village to build a > complex that was a very successful community with a long waiting list. > Another example with blocks of buildings that was known for the typical > condo fights-to-the-death also had a strong social culture — boy scout > troops, cooking classes, settling in programs for immigrants — everything a > city or non-profit supported community center might organize. Long waiting > list. People stayed 20+ years. The author suggests that the fights were > only a reflection of how engaged people were. The fights were used as > negative publicity by rental apartment builders and certainly occurred but > the social structure suggests they were not formative. > > Interestingly, it used to be the norm that people in apartments moved > _every year_. It was programmed — moving either Oct 1 or another date > depending on what state you lived in. Owner occupied was thus sold as > secure and long lasting. People were attracted to having stable > communities. One boasted in the press of having 3 generations living in the > same complex. One had 15 playgrounds. There were 800 units and 760 > children. The focus was on professional management and modern technology so > heavy involvement in governance was not expected. Self-management and > maintenance was specifically not the objective. > > Then after WWII, the move was toward government built or subsidized > limited equity co-ops. Some less cooperative and more limited than others. > Backed and insured with government funds it went on for decades but was not > particularly successful. It reduced costs but took away all the attractive > and productive features. In sociocracy, this would be characterized as > misplaced ego. Who was in charge? Can’t have it both ways and build for the > future. > > The most successful, however, were those started for social reasons. > Affordability was important but the reasons the workers organizations, > particularly unions, supported co-ops was that the workers deserved better > housing and a good foundation in life. They needed more in terms of > educational opportunities, children’s programs, etc. Many of the strongest > were the product of largely Jewish groups also fighting for unions. it was > a mission. > > Wealthy individuals also organized coops for the good of working class and > professional families, not just for their peers. One wealthy matron was > very public about her role as unofficial manager of the complex she helped > develop in showing the units for sale, etc., for decades. > > Perhaps one lesson for cohousing is that commitment to the social > benefits, equal rights, produced the strongest communities. Discussions > about the social implications of governance decisions, for example, seem to > be less frequent now than they were 20 years ago. The question is what > should a policy cover, rather than what social effect do we want a policy > to produce. > > Sharon > ——— > Sharon Villines, Editor & Publisher > Affordable Housing means 30% of household income > Cohousing means self-developed, self-governed, self-managed > http://affordablecohousing.com > _________________________________________________________________ > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > http://L.cohousing.org/info > > > >
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Re: Cohousing-L Digest, Vol 211, Issue 1 Ty Albright, August 1 2021
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Real Estate Development & Owner Occupied Developments Sharon Villines, August 3 2021
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Real Estate Development & Owner Occupied Developments Sharon Villines, August 3 2021
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