Re: TWO proposed Greek cohousing communities
From: Diane (dianeclairegmail.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 06:27:21 -0700 (PDT)
Dear Pare,
Your community sounds wonderful. It's hard to believe what that other guy
is doing to confuse matters.  I look forward to visiting your community
some day in the not too distant future.
Good Luck
Diane Margolis
Cambridge Cohousing
Director Emeritus, Cohousing Research Network
Forthcoming, Our Commons, Cohousing, New Village Press

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 8:04 AM Pare Gerou <paregerou [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Fred,
>
> And sorry Jill-- I appreciate the clarification and am disappointed too
> about the confusion.  Mr Nuckolls was a former volunteer for Greek Village
> Cohousing, and he liked the idea so much that he borrowed the materials and
> idea while in our group and soon published an identical sounding project in
> his own name and using all the keywords I had shared with him.  He then
> published a Facebook page in our exact name, which added to the confusion,
> and he created an LLC in our exact name that further added to the
> confusion.  I personally have never heard of a cohousing community treating
> another this way.  Luckily, at this point the FB page and LLC name in our
> exact name is down, but he created separate FB pages with every possible
> keyword linked to his primary page, and that has caused an unnecessary SEO
> challenge and continued confusion.  I assume all of it is aimed at somehow
> hurting our own community and have had to respond.  The ideal would
> have been for Mr. Nuckols to simply use a very different name than ours, as
> there is plenty of room for a multitude of cohousing and eco villages in
> Greece.
>
> However, our communities at this point are very different, which is helpful
> when making choices.  Our community utilizes cohousing design, including
> both social and physical cohousing design.  Thus we use participatory
> design in creating the community to reflect our values, and we use the
> physical cohousing design outlined in Charles Durrett and Katie MacCamants
> seminal book "Creating Cohousing,"  We also use non hierarchical decision
> making and plan to use Ted and Jerry's SOFA training.  We also use
> empirical data from Danish studies in an effort to create a community that
> will be successful and long lasting.  Thus, the number of our homes chosen
> reflect the empirical data around an effective and long term shared cooking
> and meals program, cost of maintenance of a Common House (key feature of
> cohousing), numbers that allow effective decision making, and enough people
> to develop strong friendships.  Thus, we plan for between 25-33 homes.  I
> believe the cohousing movement was born out of a reaction, by 50 families
> in Denmark, to the ineffectiveness of a typical suburban multi villa or
> multi home complex, and thus we will not be using that straight line of
> homes with garages and streets grid design.
>
> The current land we are considering has a vineyard, a farm with horses, a
> fruit tree orchard, and is thus set up for a farm to table culture that
> highly values the sustainable and energy conscious "ECohousing" model.
> This Sunday, we are discussing photovoltaic cells and have new members who
> currently reside in cohousing and eco villages who are helping with the
> speaker.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> PARE GEROU
> Greek Village Cohousing
> T. +1 (434) 962-7801
> A. Peloponnese
> W. www.GreekVillageCohousing.com
> <http://www.greekvillagecohousing.com/>
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> On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 10:21 AM Jill B Murray via Cohousing-L <
> cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the summary Fred!
> >
> > > On Aug 4, 2021, at 6:07 AM, Fred H Olson <fholson [at] cohousing.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > There are two proposed cohousing in the country of Greece.
> > > Both have posted to cohousing-L recently.
> > > Both are expected to have non Greek members and I think are based on
> > > Greek law which allow non Greek citizens to have long term residence.
> > > Their names are similar enough that I get them confused so after
> > > browsing their websites I present this brief summary.
> > >
> > > Greece Cohousing Community
> > > About eight households in an existing villa complex
> > > on the island of Crete
> > > See https://www.greececohousingcommunity.com/villa-complexes
> > > key person: Charles Nuckolls <charles_nuckolls [at] byu.edu>
> > >
> > > Greek Village Cohousing
> > > About 30 households on Peloponnesian peninsula
> > > See https://www.greekvillagecohousing.com/faqs
> > > key person: Pare Gerou <paregerou [at] gmail.com>  who is a Greek American
> > >
> > > Locations on map of Greece at:
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloponnese
> > > Peloponnesian peninsula is in blue
> > > Crete is the island at the bottom of the map.
> > >
> > > Fred, who has difficulty imagining downsizing to another neighborhood
> > > in Minneapolis let alone another country so won't be moving to Greece
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
> > >     Email:        fholson at cohousing.org      612-588-9532
> > > My Link Pg: http://fholson.cohousing.org
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