Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: Electric vehicle chargers- Stay calm!

[Alan O'Hashi (adoecos]

Cohousers: More random thoughts. Also keep in mind that Internal Combustion 
Engine (ICE) cars are going to be around for a long time. Manufacturers are 
making more than twice as many ICE as they are EVs that trend is going to 
continue for the next decade or longer. The biggest challenge is, what to do 
with the 45 million used ICE cars that change hands each year with more hitting 
the streets every day. EVs are a luxury that most people can't afford. For many 
of these consumers, reducing their carbon footprint is the farthest thing from 
their minds when they're working two jobs so they don't get kicked out of their 
apartments.

EV technology is continuously changing. For example, I started out with a 
Nissan Leaf that uses the CHAdeMO charging plugs, which are soon to be 
obsolete. I ended up trading the Leaf for the ID.4 because of the CCS charging 
plug.

You don't want to get tied into hardware that will be outdated as soon as you 
install it, which is why 220 outlets give more flexibility over time.

As most of you are likely aware, the biggest limitation to mass EV adoption is 
the lack of charging infrastructure with no standardization. Like when ICE cars 
took to the road in the 1900s when fueling stations were limited. EV fueling is 
in that stage of development.  

Thx
Alan O
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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Electric vehicle chargers (Philip Semanchuk)
  2. Re: Electric vehicle chargers (Fred H Olson)
  3. EV Chargers (Jim Bronson)
  4. ???Sociocracy for Cohousers starts tomorrow Oct 18th. 4
      sessions online. A few seats left... (Neil Planchon)


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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:38:50 -0400
From: Philip Semanchuk <philip [at] semanchuk.com>
To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
Subject: Re: [C-L]_ Electric vehicle chargers
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> On Oct 17, 2023, at 12:42 AM, Katie Henry <katie-henry [at] att.net> wrote:
> 
> Some of our homeowners will want to install level 2 EV chargers in their 
> garage when we move in. We have the electrical capacity and infrastructure 
> (conduit) in place. Should we try to standardize on a certain brand or model? 
> Or should we let people choose any random EV charger they find on Amazon? The 
> chargers will be professionally installed by our licensed electrician. 

Good for you for thinking ahead! IMO if I was installing a charging station in 
my garage, I?d want to be able to choose the type of charger. You might want to 
set some guidelines (e.g. the charging station must be UL listed) and/or 
recommend a few particular brands/models, or maybe the interested parties can 
get together and do that research as a group.

Cheers
Philip

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 09:42:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: Fred H Olson <fholson [at] cohousing.org>
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Subject: Re: [C-L]_ Electric vehicle chargers
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This thread got me to wondering...

Would Smart Grid technology facilitate EV chargers sharing capacity?
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_grid )

Yes it would...  Here is a 2010 article:
https://electricenergyonline.com/energy/magazine/542/article/Electric-
Vehicles-and-the-Smart-Grid-Charging-Forward-.htm

which includes: "The Smart Grid is the key to smart EV charging."

But when will the Smart Grid be available and how does that affect
EV charging plans now?  I could not find anything about this.

Fred

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:50:03 -0700
From: Jim Bronson <jimbronsonashland [at] gmail.com>
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Subject: [C-L]_ EV Chargers
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Just a heads up from River Song.  We had 4 Level 2 charger cords in parking
areas adjacent to our garages and, one dark night, three of the cords were
cut and stolen - the fourth was hooked to a car and charging at the time.
The feeling of invasion and lack of safety lingers.  Your idea to have the
Level 2's in the garages takes care of the copper thieves.
*Jim Bronson*
*www.riversongcohousing.org <http://www.riversongcohousing.org>*
Eugene, Oregon on the shores of the Willamette River

*I was born at 303 ppm CO2.*


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 17:39:28 -0700
From: Neil Planchon <neil [at] swansway.com>
To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
Subject: [C-L]_ ???Sociocracy for Cohousers starts tomorrow Oct 18th.
    4 sessions online. A few seats left...
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Hello everyone

A special edition of Sociocracy for Cohousers starts tomorrow Oct 18th hosted 
by Jerry Koch-Gonzalez of Sociocracy For All.

Sociocracy is for everyone who dreams of a world where we can enjoy deep human 
connection while getting things done. This 4-week interactive training full of 
role-playing and practice will cover the core elements of sociocracy including 
the consent decision-making process, the selection of members to leadership 
roles, the organizational structure of linked working groups, and continuous 
evolution through feedback.

Last training (via Coho/US this year) A few seats are left. Come join us!

$240/4-session training online. Recordings will be available if you cannot join 
live sessions.
Sessions will take place at 4-6pm PT, 5-7pm MT, 6-8pm CT and 7-9pm ET

Read more and sign up here 
https://cohousinginstitute.org/courses/fall-2023-sociocracy/

Cordially,
Neil Planchon

Cohousing Association <https://www.cohousing.org/> (Coho/US). Programs. 
Outreach. Ambassador.
Swan?s Market Cohousing <https://www.swansway.com/>, Oakland CA. Founding 
Member.
Foundation for Intentional Community <https://www.ic.orgref/221/> (FIC). 
Ambassador.
Sociocracy For All <https://www.sociocracyforall.org/>. IC and IC Conference 
Circles.
Cohousing Research Network <https://www.cohousingresearchnetwork.org/> (CRN). 
Director.



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