Re: Questioning "Consensus" Decision-Making | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Stuart Staniford-Chen (stanifor![]() |
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:24:40 -0500 |
Personally, I would be unhappy if my own group wanted to drop consensus decision making. Winston Churchill once said, of national decision making, "democracy is the worst possible form of government, except for all the other forms which have been tried." (Close paraphrase) That's about how I feel about consensus as a decision making procedure for my community - that it's often slow and frustrating, but I can't imagine anything else working better. I see the central problem with voting as arising in the situation where there is a strong conflict in the group. With consensus, nothing gets done until the conflict is resolved. (Maybe nothing ever gets done). With voting, a decision will be taken fairly quickly by majority vote. The minority has no investment in that decision whatsoever. That has two problems that I see. i) People have no incentive to moderate their opinions and try and compromise. They can take extreme, purist positions, safe in the knowledge that they will be overruled and not have to live with the consequences of their position. (This happens in national politics a lot). ii) The outvoted minority is quite likely to try and undermine the decision, either overtly (eg by leaving), or subvertly (whoops, careless of me to let my Roundup drift over the rose garden I voted against last week, but lost on after a bitter fight). (I'm not talking about where voting is used occasionally as a last resort, or for certain relatively unimportant decisions, but rather where it's the main decision making model all the time). My feeling is that *most* people learn to be pretty responsible around the power to block consensus after a while. They learn to use it with extreme caution. After the group has sat through a couple of awful issues that can't seem to be resolved for month after month, people get more willing to compromise/be creative. This is not to suggest that my group doesn't sometimes get stuck on issues that seem dumb for a long time. But we are better than we used to be. (Eg we rarely get stuck on "wording issues"). Sometimes we get stuck because a seemingly trivial issue is really a code for some deeper problem. (Eg we have tend to have a lot of problems whenever we have to spend money to buy a new widget (chairs, mowers, washing machines) - often those problems really arise out of differing levels of commitment towards, or definitions of, sustainability. I completely agree with Dan about the need for delegation. Large group frames the issues -> small group comes up with a detail scheme -> large group rubber stamps it unless it has real problems. I agree also that design issues are the hardest for a consensus process - I'm curious actually why his post came from someone living in a several-year-old community rather than from a in-process-of-building community. Finally, Dan tries to frame the issue this way: voting is proven because one long term intentional community that is successful uses it, while he does not think there are examples of long term communities using consensus. I'll let someone more knowledgeable about FIC type communities address that. I will point out that when most Danish cohousing communities were built using consensus as the main model, and all American communities (that I'm aware of) were built that way, the onus of proof is on the guy who wants to change the system, rather than the rest of us. Stuart. Stuart Staniford-Chen stanifor [at] cs.ucdavis.edu http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/~stanifor/cohousing.html
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Questioning "Consensus" Decision-Making Dan Suchman, October 19 1995
- Re: Questioning "Consensus" Decision-Making Stuart Staniford-Chen, October 20 1995
- Re: Questioning "Consensus" Decision-Making JPCOACH, October 20 1995
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