Investing reserves and Support Financial | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Joani Blank (jeblank![]() |
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 23:34:47 -0600 |
At 04:03 PM 3/18/96 -0600, you wrote: > COHOUSING-L Digest 15 > >Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Re: Investing > by Buzz Burrell <72253.2101 [at] compuserve.com> > 2) Talking to the neighbors about CoHo > by jmajor [at] dayna.com (John Major) > 3) Re: Talking to the neighbors about CoHo > by Denise Meier and/or Michael Jacob <dmmj [at] wco.com> > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: 18 Mar 96 09:52:12 EST >From: Buzz Burrell <72253.2101 [at] compuserve.com> >To: List <cohousing-l [at] mtn.org> >Subject: Re: Investing >Message-ID: <960318145211_72253.2101_EHJ33-1 [at] CompuServe.COM> > >David asked about investing their reserve fund, and Joani also was interested in >a socially conscious place to invest. > >Keep in mind that listmember and Rocky Mountain Coho maeven Zev Paiss has >started Support Financial Services for investing in new coho developments. The >rate of return would be good, and the socially conscious factor would presumably >be very high. > >Zpaiss [at] aol.com > >Buzz Burrell >Boulder, CO >(my commission is negotiable) > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 12:40:03 -0700 >From: jmajor [at] dayna.com (John Major) >To: cohousing-l [at] MTN.Org >Subject: Talking to the neighbors about CoHo >Message-ID: <742662.ensmtp [at] dayna.com> > >Hi - > >We are just now going through the CoHo-standard step of talking to the >neighbors, assuring them that we don't bite, that their land values won't go >down, and so forth. I have a few questions that I need anecdotes and answers >for from the rest of you - please reply as soon as you can, we have a public >appearance in two days that we need to be prepared for, and statements from >people now living in CoHo are tremendously persuasive. I need real-life >stories to reassure folks that are understandably nervous about something new >and different. So, here goes: > >1) Was your development going into what was considered a "higher-crime" area? >How has this situation/perception changed since you moved in? We've all talked >about how the many eyes of a *real* community increase the sense and reality >of security, and we are going in on a urban wooded area (the last open >farmland in Salt Lake City - sigh...) that will stop being a hang-out for >undesirables once we are there. But at least one neighbor thinks our >development will make things *worse* - she is concerned that: >- Our clustered parking will become a target for nasty people, what with all >those cars not in garages 'n' all, and that these nasties will then go on to >mess up the rest of the neighborhood even more than they do now. >-Folks won't watch out for other folks' stuff as well as they do their own, so >for example the cars must be in garages. > >Admittedly, she listens to her police scanner a lot and strikes me as pretty >paranoid, but I want to have real answers for people with the same concerns. > >2) Did your community face concerns about traffic? We are several blocks over >from a busy street (and they make 'em WIDE in SLC - something about turning >wagons around ;-> ) which we will be turning off of, to get to our two >entrances. Do any of you have stories about how the traffic from CoHo >developments was *less* than anticipated, or how it compares to equivalent >StandardSuburb developments? > >3) And of course, land values - although the concern that we would drive down >real estate $$ in the area is a bit laughable to us, considering the crazy >upward zoom of real estate in SLC, and the amount of money we're actually >spending on our units (another collective sigh...). It would be great to have >a few anecdotes about how the resale value of your CoHo neighbors went up >*faster* than equivalent homes nearby. > >Thanks for your ear - bring on those tales of tribulation and triumph - I >think it is the shared stories that bind this larger community of CoHopis >together - and wish us luck - this is one of the big steps in the process, I >understand! > >Thanks - > >John Major >Wasatch CoHousing >Salt Lake City, Utah >jmajor [at] dayna.com >wk: 801/269-7346 >hm: 801/487-3148 > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:32:02 -0800 (PST) >From: Denise Meier and/or Michael Jacob <dmmj [at] wco.com> >To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org >Subject: Re: Talking to the neighbors about CoHo >Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960318121631.14090A-100000@shell> > >Good luck, John. We're going through much the same process, and although >the crime isn't an issue, density, property values, and traffic are. > >One thing we learned from our first meeting is that one of our group >started going on about how wonderful cohousing is and how it helps make >life so much better, and sitting in the audience with my empathic powers >on HIGH, I could hear it as "your isolated suburban lifestyle really >sucks, and this is what we're doing so we won't have to live like you do". >Of course, this is not what we meant, but afterwards people said things to >me like "you know, we have a block party every July 4th. We have a real >community here already, you know." So the lesson I'm trying to impart is >to be careful not to put down the people you're talking to. > >Another thing is that although perhaps cohousing communities do generate >less traffic than the same number of individual dwelling units, it is >really unrealistic to expect the city or the neighbors to accept that as >traffic mitigation. It isn't possible to know who will be living in your >community in 10 years, and whether it'll still even be cohousing. So >though we've tried that tack, it's been shot down by the neighbors and I >have to admit I think they're right. > >On a positive note, the first time we tried this, in a different >neighborhood, there had been rumors about us as a cult, a group of hippies >who were planning to import welfare mothers from Oakland to live here. So >by the time we got that straightened out they were all pissed off, and not >in a mood to be appeased about traffic or density issues, either. This >time around we approached the neighbors early, before word got around, and >even those who are likely to show up at the city council hearings and >speak against our density seem to like the idea (at a lower density), and >wish us well. If you have any friends/supporters in the neighborhood, beg >them to come to the meeting and speak up in your favor. That helped us A >LOT! If you have people who are the least bit favorable, cultivate them. > >Serve food, dress nice, be polite, and last but not least, listen to >their concerns and let them know you understand their fears, even if >inside you think they're silly. We learned that arguing against people's >fears doesn't work. Listening to them and then presenting calm >information works a lot better. > >Good luck >Denise Meier >Sebastopol, California > > > >------------------------------ > >End of COHOUSING-L Digest 15 >**************************** > >
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Investing reserves and Support Financial Joani Blank, March 18 1996
- Investing reserves and Support Financial Joani Blank, March 18 1996
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