Re: Defining "the cohousing principle" | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Fred H. Olson (fholson![]() |
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:00:53 -0600 (MDT) |
Howard A. Landman River Rock Commons howard [at] polyamory.org is the author of the message below ( on Apr 3 ) but due to a problem (posted from address other than subscribed address), it was posted by Fred the Cohousing-L list manager: fholson [at] cohousing.org Note: Sorry for the delay in forwarding this. Fred To get off Cohousing-L, send email with UNSUBSCRIBE COHOUSING-L in the msg body to: listproc [at] cohousing.org Questions? email Fred - addr above -------------------- FORWARDED MESSAGE FOLLOWS -------------------- > I think we have de-emphasized a very > important piece: affordability. Creating cohousing in the USA requires a > strong group of committed people who have between them a great deal of time > and a great deal of money (I imagine there are exceptions?) Yes, this always seemed rather self-contradictory to me. Our group spent vast amounts of effort on the "affordability" issue and on trying to recruit lower-income members. But the price of our units is not particularly low, partly because we also insisted on environmentally-friendly materials and practices, and most of the lower-income community members had to drop out because, when it came time to actually put money down, they didn't have it. Or because they looked at how much cheaper a similar-sized non-coho house cost, and decided that as much as they liked the idea of cohousing, they weren't willing to pay the difference for it. There's also a conflict which tends to arise when you have both moderately wealthy and moderately poor families in the same cohousing development. The wealthier folks will frequently want to make the community "nicer" by doing something which requires spending money, but then the financial situation of the poorer folks constantly has to be considered. This seems to usually settle out as only being able to do that which the poorest members of the community can afford. There are also issues that arise when "affordability" and "equality" cross paths. For example, our cheapest unit is a 2nd & 3rd story unit called an A'. It has no land connected to it, and was cheaper partly because of that - it's price was set based on the idea that it had no yard. Yet many of the people who bought A' units have come back to the community asking for something like a yard, since everybody else has one and it's "unfair" for some people to have a yard and others not to. We even had one dog-owner buy an A' and then complain that their dog *needed* a yard. I get really uncomfortable when people cannot assess their own needs and means, fail to evaluate whether a particular cohousing unit purchase will work for them, and then expect others to foot the bill for fixing whatever problems this causes for them. This does not seem to cause most of my fellow cohouser's any discomfort. I understand that we need to - and I *want* us to - make accomodations for each other's unique needs and desires. Often this is simple and straightforward once we know what those needs and desires are; other times there are real conflicts of interest that need to be worked out. That's not what bothers me. What bothers me is when people take the egalitarian principle so far that they expect to get things that they did not pay for but others *did* pay for. And call *that* "equality" and "fairness". Partly, this is a product of vagueness in the chousing concept itself. We're more than a condo - we've agreed to pool some of our wealth to better our common lives (in the form of a common house, common grounds, etc.) - but less than a commune - we haven't agreed to pool *everything*. The exact line between private and common public seems to be drawn differently in different minds. We lost several members over conflicts about this: one dropped out because he thought the community was giving away too much public land to appease private desires, and another because he didn't feel the community was giving in to his private desires enough. At times it felt a bit like the community was being blackmailed ("give me this or I leave"), and yet, it was also an honest statement of perceived needs ("we have a large dog, so we need a yard twice as big as what comes with our unit, and if the community can't guarantee us that, we won't be able to live happily here"). Howard A. Landman River Rock Commons
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