Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: the Dishwasher envelope please!

[Elizabeth Stevenson (tamgoddess]

Oh, we've talked about this many times, but I'd have to say that I come down
on the side of saving two grand. We've had two dishwashers for many years,
and they are quiet so we can clean up during other events, something which
will happen with frequency. The cook team leaves the dishes in the machines
until the next meal, when they're put back on the buffet.

Installation of commercial will cost more, I think. Dishwashers made for the
home are a DIY project for the more handy amongst you.

The large commercial dishwashers aren't in any way good for your back and
will make anyone with the inability to lift a large heavy tray feel less
abled and less valued. I know, you only have to slide some of them. It's
still very hard on your back in the long run. Side note: we bought matching
Corelle dishes mostly because our eldest member couldn't lift a stack of our
original mismatched ones, and we saw our future.

DESIGN ACCESSABILITY INTO YOUR COMMONHOUSE!!!

Another consideration is how you want the kitchen to FEEL. We have always
maintained that we wanted it like a home and not a commercial kitchen.
everyone who has ever toured out place, including several from built
communities, has said that we did a good job on that score.

I hate commercial dishwashers, and I think that the communities that have
them defend them because it would be too psychically damaging to admit they
wasted all that money for a big loud eyesore. Don't bother whining to me
about expressing that opinion, anyone. That's my story and I'm stickin' with
it.

-- 
Liz "The Opinionated" Stevenson
Southside Park Cohousing
Sacramento, California
tamgoddess [at] attbi.com
> From: HeidiNYS [at] aol.com
> Reply-To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:47:58 EST
> To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
> Subject: [C-L]_the Dishwasher envelope please!
> 
> 
> Dear Folks,
> 
> We really need a Commonhouse dishwasher.
> 
> We have gone through Archives, and asked this List for help.   It was thought
> that we had decided, perhaps not heartily however, on a $4,400 Hobart
> dishwasher, if we could afford one.   The choice was between a Hobart and two
> heavy duty home style dishwashers [around $2,000].
> 
> Questions have been raised at yesterdays meeting, causing us to re-open
> question.  
> 
> Our one neighbor, after listening said:  "So, what I hear is we can spend
> $2,000 for two dishwashers that don't need us to rinse dishes or $4,400 for
> one that does?"
> 
> Can you give us your input, esp re: these specific questions which were
> raised.
> 
> 
> The concerns with a Hobart that came up:
> 
> 1.   Do dishes need to be rinsed off before going in?? Since this is not the
> case with a homestyle dishwasher,  it's a concern: uses more water, takes
> effort/time.  
> 
> 
> 
> 2.  Our other neighbor raised the point of CAPACITY of homestyle dishwashers.
> Please let us know your experience.  We're growing to 17 households.....
> Currently, a large dinner is about 27 adults & kids;  this increase to
> perhaps 30-35 people.  Folks with homestyle dishwashers in CommonHouse, we'd
> appreciate knowing capacity.
> 
> 
> 3.  Water??  Responses to concern about commercial Hobart type needing dishes
> rinsed before going thru [ok, plus expense.]  According to Consumer
> Report[May2002], pre-rinsing for a homestyle dishwasher wastes abt 20
> gallons; many of the homestyle dishwashers take five gallons to do a whole
> load, some, up to double that.  This makes me wonder abt environmental cost
> of a dishwasher that equire pre-rinsing.  Experience? Thoughts?
> 
> 
> Also, open to any other input on this expenditure!!
> 
> And for any others in this search, I can offer to email  compilation of past
> & recent research on this topic!
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Ruth Hirsch, Cantines Island CoHo, Saugerties, NY
> 
> email: HeidiNYS [at] aol.com
> 
> 
> 
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