Re: more perspective on rules and regs | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Tom Hammer (thammer302![]() |
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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:08:35 -0700 (PDT) |
As one who aspires to live in cohousing and is in a forming group but has twenty years of a counseling background, perhaps I can lend a slightly different helpful perspective. I agree with much of what Sharon has to say. She and others are the "wise elders" (no matter their age) we need to listen to, in my opinion. When one agrees to join a group, I assume one agrees to follow all the past agreements of the group as a condition of joining. In our group this is clearly stated, written, and signed upon joining. The past agreements should all be explained clearly. Arguments of legalities and the Constitution are not at all relevant, in my humble opinion. There are many examples we can find in life that prove that people easily can give away their "rights." People in intentional religious communities, for example, agree to complete silence either all the time or for certain parts of the day or to poverty. Some intentional communities agree to share all their material goods. It is only a "right" under the Constitution to have these freedoms unless one freely agrees to relinquish them. The struggle then becomes to live within the system. Some religious novices struggle to fit within their communities, and it is understood it is usually difficult for all new novitiates, and they are given support because it is known to be a struggle. It is understood that some initiates will not make it into full community, and some do leave, and good-byes are said that are full of understanding and grace. Humans in our culture are raised around me and I, and we are very unused to "we." We have to be open to learning a culture of "we" to live in or start cohousing successfully, as I understand it. Sometimes when we try to learn a culture of we, feelings come up. These feelings, especially if the new people are not carefully taught, but even among experienced cohousers, can be attached to a particular issue such as fences, pets, and satellite dishes. These are not the real question, in my opinion, but it is simply where the feeling gets attached. The group needs to stand firm in solidarity against the attachment of feelings to any particular issue. Feelings will come up, and I hope there are resources to deal with them within the group--peacemakers, mediators, and so on. In a long established community like a monastery or a native American tribe, the culture (rules) are never questioned, and there were always people who could not fit into the group, and they left, but the group stayed intact and healthy. People entering cohousing, as I understand it, do not, no matter how much money they pay for their house (old style, individualistic thinking) get to conravene the culture, decisions, and norms of the group. The group contains, I hope, peacemakers, teachers about group culture, and a means for changing past group decisions. All group members need to learn the difficult lesson that the group's culture and harmony is extremely important, valuable, precious, delicate for new groups, and primary in many situations and that all important decisions are based on the values that the group has chosen, not on individual preferences. That is why blocking in consensus, is so very rare, and must be based on the group's values and not on an individual's wishes, in order to occur. If someone cannot learn these lessons or has so many feelings brought up by trying to become part of "we" that objectivity and insight about oneself and the group and the importance of its culture are lost, then a gentle goodbye, with grace, is in order that would be initiated as much by the individual or family as by the group. I would think that would rarely happen. Leaving would mean that the individual or family could not grow quickly or easily enough from his/her former place of "I" to "we", but s/he would not be blamed. The parting would occur with sadness but with understanding among all parties, and someone else or some other family would take her/his place. Best wishes to all, Tom Hammer Concord Village --where we don't yet have land, but I hope we are learning the lessons of community as we travel the journey. http://www.concordvillage.org - > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:31:28 -0400 > From: Sharon Villines <sharon [at] sharonvillines.com> > Subject: Re: [C-L]_ more perspective on rules and > regs > To: Cohousing-L <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> > Message-ID: > <1901e9442918a4da34d71707e66d8ce2 [at] sharonvillines.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; > delsp=yes; > format=flowed > > > On Apr 16, 2006, at 10:50 PM, > <truddick [at] earthlink.net> wrote: > > > Not specifically cohousing, but a similar kind of > idea: a suburban > > Cincinnati couple was prohibited from putting up a > privacy fence > > because it > > was too ?visually imposing?. So they found a way > to express themselves > > without breaking any rules! > > > > > http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/ > > > 0417ohtoile > > ts.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat= > > In "we-they" governance, acting out like this is > often the only way to > emphasize that we are all in this together folks. We > need to find > mutually satisfying solutions if the boat is to stay > afloat. But when > transfered into consensus communities it is odd > behavior. > > What most intentional communities are trying to > achieve is governance > by agreement, not by authority. The objective is > "we" not "we-they." > > Since people who move into a community have not been > part of those > agreements, it is often hard for them to see that > they are violating > the whole concept of community, not just one > agreement. The learning > curve is steep so they continue to behave as if the > rules are there to > be broken. > > Instead of making their case for changing the > rules--updating the > agreements--they figure out how to "get away with > things." How far can > they go? How long will it take people to notice? > Often there is some > element of "Aren't I cute?' or "See, I'm smarter > than you and you can't > catch me!". Anyone who opposes them is viewed as > being the big bad > parent. > > When a two-year-old does this, it is cute and it is > smart because they > are just learning that they have free will. But when > an adult does it, > it loses it's appeal. > > This makes it very difficult inter-personally for > the person who wants > to function as a "we" in accordance with the > governance structure that > preserves the integrity of the community. > > Sharon > ---- > Sharon Villines > Dynamic Governance (sociocracy) > http://www.sociocracy.info > >
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Re: more perspective on rules and regs Tom Hammer, April 18 2006
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