Re: Smoking Policies | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Moz (list![]() |
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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:51:42 -0800 (PST) |
Diana Carroll > We did bring it back to our values, which among others include > that we will be *welcoming*. To tell a visitor that they must > leave our community to smoke is not very welcoming... Can't we > welcome the *people* without welcoming their behaviors? Fortunately for us we had people who took this attitude and were happy to advocate for it, which made it much easier to explain the problem: exactly how far does "welcoming" extend? You mentioned heroin addiction, we used paedophilia, but the point is the same. Certain problems are associated with strongly antisocial behaviour and a high risk of relapse or reoffending. It's safer for our community if those people are welcomed cautiously and monitored while on our premises so that we don't have unfortunate incidents. This is a live issue for us, as some of us have family members who have histories of criminal behaviour. We have learned that we must take responsibility for ensuring that they obey the law when they're around us, because they can't. It's not very welcoming, but it avoids the nasty recriminations after they offend in our community. Now, Urban Coup took the view that as long as vistors (and residents) agree not to break the law where adults have to watch then eveything is fine. The explicit example was of someone who had been convicted of sexually abusing children but had served their time in prison. Some members (including all the parents with young children) were uncomfortable with the idea of welcoming that person into our community, but there was no consensus on changing the policy. > what happens when you DO get a smoking member moving in? They stop, or I leave. More accurately, a somking member joined and I have left. I have as much right to live smoke- free as they have to smoke, andI have found repeatedly that smokers cannot bring themselves to respect any restrictions on their smoking. Sure, some can, but the other 90% give them a bad name. Moz
- Re: Smoking Policies, (continued)
- Re: Smoking Policies Sharon Villines, November 21 2011
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Re: Smoking Policies bonnie Fergusson, November 21 2011
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Re: Smoking Policies Diana Carroll, November 21 2011
- Re: Smoking Policies Diana Carroll, November 21 2011
- Re: Smoking Policies Moz, November 22 2011
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Re: Smoking Policies Diana Carroll, November 21 2011
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Re: Smoking Policies Mabel Liang, November 21 2011
- Re: Smoking Policies R Philip Dowds, November 21 2011
- Re: Smoking Policies Moz, November 21 2011
- Re: Smoking Policies R Philip Dowds, November 21 2011
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