Re: Cats - indoor outdoor or both in cohousing | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: John Beutler (jabeutler![]() |
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 12:21:30 -0700 (PDT) |
Catios are reasonable solutions, all the others have significant problems, even trap neuter release. JAB (no longer living in a coho community partly due to free ranging cats) Sent from my tricorder > On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Susan Coberly <susandgeorge [at] gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi, Susan from LaQuerencia aka Fresno Cohousing (Fresno CA, USA), with a > question and asking for comments / ideas about outdoor or indoor / outdoor > cats in cohousing community. > > Background: > About a year prior to move-in (move-in commenced Sept 2008) the > then-members of the forming body adopted a Pet Policy. The policy says > owners are, among other things, responsible for cleaning up after their > pets. We skated on the idea of indoor-only cats because though some of us > had existing cats which were indoor-only, others had existing indoor / > outdoor cats. There has been some turnover in our community since, and new > cats have joined us, periodically, some of which cats are indoor / outdoor, > and some of which are indoor-only. > > Physical space: 28 units on 2.8 net acres (on a somewhat busy street) > somewhat densely built in multiplex and duplex buildings, but with a lot of > green / common space. We have a range of unit sizes. We have 6 upstairs 2 > bd units with exclusive use common area balconies. All of the rest of the > 22 units are comprised of 16 townhouses ranging from 3 - 5 bd units, and 6 > downstairs 2 bd units. Each of these 22 units have an exclusive use common > area back yard. Many of those back yards are fenced; some are not. But cats > are not fazed by fences. We have extensive common area buildings, and > driveways, sidewalks, paths, landscaping, etc. including a community > garden, pool / spa area, children's sandbox, etc. > > We bought a custom cover for the large children's sandbox soon after > move-in for obvious reasons. > > Issue: > There are concerns about outdoor / indoor-outdoor cats using the common > areas, including common area landscaping and the garden, and including > someone *else's* exclusive use common area back yards. Specific voiced > concerns are (1) Cat feces. The handling of cat feces is not safe for > pregnant women; we don't want the children playing in cat deposits; we > don't want cat deposits in the potato bed and other garden beds. Moreover, > some [unidentifiable] cats seem to have targeted certain landscaped areas, > e.g., a specific back or side yard area, to the chagrin of those tending > those areas. (2) Fighting. The cats occasionally fight, sometimes with > outside cats as well as each other, sometimes necessitating vet expenses. > (3) Hunting. Cats hunt, and while we like them hunting mice we dislike them > hunting birds, and lizards. Some have suggested belling the cats as a way > to discourage bird loss. We already have a provision in the Pet Policy > banning feeding and watering feral animals. > > (Full disclosure: when I moved here in 2008 I had 2 indoor-only cats and > then took in my mom's indoor-only cat. I was adopted by and am now staff > to an abandoned "feral" cat here in 2014, several years after the last of > my indoor-only cats had died. Once I could get him into a cage, I promptly > had him neutered, and named him Tommy. I make sure he is routinely > vaccinated and taken care of by the vet [including injuries incurred in > fights], I preventively treat for possible fleas & ticks monthly, and I > feed him well [inside!] but so far he hasn't agreed to being indoor-only. I > have tried. He likes being in when he likes being in...) > > Discussion has ensued about changing (or not) the Pet Policy following the > raising of concerns about cat issues. Some suggestions are (1) > grandfathering in any existing cats which are indoor/outdoor and / or > outdoor cats, but making all future cats indoor only, (2) suggesting that > indoor/outdoor cats' staff place & maintain an additional, outside litter > box in their exclusive use common area backyard (as well as the one in the > house!), (3) suggesting a cat person might consider a "catio" in their > exclusive use common area back yard (complete with a litter box and > climbing apparatus, etc). > > There has been some concern expressed that "banning" future indoor/outdoor > cats will discourage future residents from joining our community and / or > that that rule would not be enforceable. Unenforceable rules are vexing and > lead to irritation amongst the community members... > > Q1: Does your community allow / ban outdoor or indoor / outdoor cats? > Q2: Whether you do or do not, do you have any words of wisdom about any of > these issues? > > Thanks in advance, > > Susan Coberly > > you may email me off list if you wish. Many folks may not be interested in > this issue presently. > I would be glad to make available a summary of the results. > > susandgeorge [at] gmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > http://L.cohousing.org/info > > >
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Cats - indoor outdoor or both in cohousing Susan Coberly, April 28 2020
- Re: Cats - indoor outdoor or both in cohousing John Beutler, April 28 2020
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Re: Cats - indoor outdoor or both in cohousing Sharon Villines, April 28 2020
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Re: Cats - indoor outdoor or both in cohousing Muriel Kranowski, April 28 2020
- Re: Cats - indoor outdoor or both in cohousing Linda Hobbet, April 28 2020
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Re: Cats - indoor outdoor or both in cohousing Muriel Kranowski, April 28 2020
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