Re: Records Checks for Cohousing Group Members | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Ann Zabaldo (zabaldo![]() |
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Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 11:43:40 -0700 (PDT) |
Hello Frances — Background checks have come up on this list in the past. I remember a few coho groups saying they use background checks. It’s been so long I don’t remember which ones now. Maybe they will identify themselves again. Have you checked the archives? The link is at the bottom of any Coho-L message. Of interest in this conversation is what is this person’s motivation for wanting these two background checks? Have they had a personal experience of something dreadful or tragic happening in their past that they believe a background check would have prevented the situation? Maybe the issue is with the person individually. Without going into too much detail (because I no longer remember all the details from 22 years ago) we did have a person who wanted to join Takoma Village in the very early days of our formation who had served time in prison for sexually abusing a child. Let me be very clear, the issues at the time surrounding this were not as clear cut as that last sentence I just wrote. The short of it was the person was not accepted into the community. it was just too big an issue w/ too many moving parts. Having gotten that on the table … here’s what I see as problematic w/ background checks. When you have a background check done, what will you know when you know it? What information will be in the report? The report may say … this person has a felony conviction from 1975. How will you interpret that? Will the report show the conviction was for carrying a small amount of marijuana? In the 70’s my boyfriend served 2 years for possession of under 1 ounce. Upon his release, he found himself a convicted felon who had to work for many years to get his rights restored - - all for under an ounce. Now, we find an arrest for under 1 oz laughable. But he still has that felony conviction on his record. How about a conviction for trespassing? Will the report give you all the information about the circumstance of the situation? Will it have all sides of the story or only the police recordation? My brother was hunting on public land where it was legal to do so. He became ill so he and the dog cut across a narrow part of a farmer’s land to get back to his car faster. The farmer saw him, called the police and they arrested my brother for trespassing. No amount of explanation satisfied the farmer. Thankfully, my brother just had to pay a fine. They did not arrest the dog nor did it pay a fine. How about arrested for disturbing the peace? Will you count people arrested for anti-war demonstrations as being unfit? This idea of background checks is fraught w/ peril. Is everyone in the whole community going to read these reports? I can’t imagine how awful that would be for both the community members and the prospective member. My point is … when you get this information … what are you going to do w/ it? Who will be the judge and jury? What standards are you proposing to use in accepting a person or not? One person from the community reading the report might be fine w/ marijuana but horrified at someone trespassing on private land. Or vice-versa. And if a person is arrested and jailed for drunk and disorderly when they were 18 should that count against them at 35? How are you going to weigh these things? Plus, this looking for criminal behavior undercuts the very basis for creating a cohousing community which is … trusting your neighbors. It just goes against the grain. It completely upends the notion of building community. We all have skeletons in our closet. Are my skeletons better or worse than yours? If you want to look in advance for problems w/ your neighbors in cohousing how about dealing w/ people not paying their HoA dues? Or not participating in the community? Never showing up for work day? Or becoming seriously mentally ill? Or issues around parenting? These are issues worthy of your time because they are knotty issues and they will be with you for a long time. While it is statically possible that someday, sometime, in some situation you could end up w/ a “bad guy” — it’s more likely you will end up w/ a neighbor who irritates the hell out of you, who will enrage you when they speak at meetings as well as the people YOU will irritate and enrage at meetings when you speak. And no background check will surface that. Ann Zabaldo Takoma Village Cohousing Washington, DC Member, Board of Directors Mid Atlantic Cohousing Principal, Cohousing Collaborative, LLC Falls Church, VA 202.546.4654 The most interesting information comes from children, for they tell all they know and then stop. Mark Twain > On May 25, 2020, at 12:45 PM, frances woolison <franceswoolison [at] > hotmail.com> wrote: > > I am a member of a forming Canadian cohousing group. We are currently > establishing the Bylaws and Policies for our Corporation. One group member is > adamant that those joining the community as members now, and others > purchasing units in the community in the future, be required to undergo a > Criminal Records check and a Vulnerable Persons Abuse Registry check before > being accepted into the community or being allowed to purchase a home. Katie > McCamant is our consultant, and she says that she has never heard of a > cohousing group having those requirements. We would be interested in knowing > if any other communities have mandated such criteria. If other groups do not > have such requirements, how are children and vulnerable persons in the > community protected from abuse, and what would the liability of the group be > in case of such abuse taking place? Thank you for any input you can offer. > > Frances Woolison > Prairie Rivers Cohousing > Winnipeg, Manitoba > Canada > _________________________________________________________________ > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > http://L.cohousing.org/info > > >
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