RE: Consensus vs Majority Voting | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Racheli Gai (jnpalme![]() |
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:22:22 -0600 (MDT) |
>From Racheli Sonora Cohousing I agree with many of Rob's comments, but disagree on some crucial issues. The idea that if you use majority vote the controllers get held in check is false, IMO. Such groups allow at least as much scope for controlling personalities as those working by consensus, perhaps even more so. I remember, for example, that in the kibbutz I grew up in, there were a number of members who believed that the democratic process (majority vote) allowed a few individuals to manipulate and achieve positions of power, which left others feeling disenfranchised and disillusioned. I still think that working by using consensus can be (potentially) a transformative thing, and if a group is serious about wishing to learn to do it well, there are many resources out there. This is not to minimize the difficulties. One of the things which I like most about consensus is that it forces a group to think about process constantly. I've seen (and been) in so many groups where people interact and make decisions without a clue or a glimmer of consciousness regarding how they behave, and what are the underlying power issues. I think this is detrimental to sucess, even when on the surface it might produce decisions more "efficiently". A related point which hasen't been mentioned in this thread so far is, that the making of a decision isn't the end of the process, since making decisions isn't an end in and of itself. This is something which efficiency- efficionados often neglect to recognize. The evaluation of the process must include a look at the quality of implementation: I notice that when we make half-assed decisions, they basically get ignored much of the time. The important thing is to have people feel that decisions made are ones they can stand behind (and we're much more likely to support decisions that we had an active role in making, or that at least we had the option of being actively involved with if we so chose). In our community (and I bet in many others) people often judge the success of a meeting by whether we've managed to reach consensus on a given item (or more). However, a decision is meaningless (or worse) if it's not a good one. It could prove, in fact, to be the enemy of "efficiency" if it has not addressed vital issues, and has not been arrived at in an inclusive manner. I want to take issue with another of Rob's points. It seems to me that blaming the lack of good process on a few "bad apples" is a great over-simplification. Most of us have grown in cultures where when one side is "right", the other is "wrong"(and being wrong is bad!); where competition is highly valued; where some form of hierarchical structure is in place (so for everything, there is an "expert" who can save us/set us straight); where conflict is shunned/swept under the rug- until such time that emotions explode; ... This is all antithetical to good consensus work. It means that even with the best of intentions, one can expect a long process of learning and (at best) incremental improvement, because doing authentic consensus work calls for a paradigm shift, not simply moving from employing procedure A to using procedure B... Chances of succeeding in eventually attaining a good process depend, I think, on whether there is a sufficient number of people who are truly committed to consensus within the group. If such "critical mass" doesn't exist, and efforts aren't exerted - in a consistent manner- to identify weak areas and work on them, chances of success are probably very much diminished. R. ----------------------------------------------------------- jnpalme [at] attglobal.net (Racheli Gai) ----------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list Cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org Unsubscribe and other info: http://www.communityforum.net/mailman/listinfo/cohousing-l
- RE: Consensus vs Majority Voting, (continued)
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RE: Consensus vs Majority Voting Rob Sandelin, July 17 2002
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Re: Consensus vs Majority Voting Sharon Villines, July 17 2002
- Functional group training in consensus Rob Sandelin, July 22 2002
- Re: Functional group training in consensus Sharon Villines, July 22 2002
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Re: Consensus vs Majority Voting Sharon Villines, July 17 2002
- RE: Consensus vs Majority Voting Racheli Gai, July 17 2002
- Re: Consensus vs Majority Voting Howard Landman, July 17 2002
- Re: Consensus vs Majority Voting Racheli Gai, July 17 2002
- Re: Consensus vs Majority Voting Sharon Villines, July 17 2002
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RE: Consensus vs Majority Voting Rob Sandelin, July 17 2002
- RE: Consensus vs Majority Voting Rob Sandelin, July 22 2002
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