Re: Consensus vs Majority Voting
From: Racheli Gai (jnpalmeattglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:11:06 -0600 (MDT)
In <200207172012.g6HKC4X13428 [at] poly.polyamory.org>, on 07/17/2002 
   at 01:12 PM, Howard Landman <howard [at] polyamory.org> said:

>> Most of us have grown in cultures where when one
>> side is "right", the other is "wrong"(and being wrong is bad!);

>You know, there *ARE* times when one side or person *IS* right and
>another is wrong. 
In what way this contradicts what I've said?  Of course there are such
times.  This doesn't make it a good or a useful *general* attitude.
 


> This in fact is usually the case in science or
>engineering or mathematics when there is a disagreement.

I disagree.
However,  I just got back from the dentist, and don't have the energy or
the will to argue about it at great (or even moderate) length.    


>  And being wrong
>*IS* bad ... unless you think the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse, and
>creationists trying to force their particular cult's ludicrous creation
>myth down the throats of our young people in place of fact-based
>knowledge of evolution, are just peachy.  Feelings have no legitimate
>place in these discussions.  You can't BS an electron or make it behave
>differently because you're unhappy. Nature just does what it does,
>following its own laws.  You can be in harmony with those laws ("the
>Tao") or out of harmony with them.

*Feelings have a legitimate place in *all* discussions, as far as I'm
concerned.

*You can never know for sure whether what you think of as nature's laws is
really what nature's laws are.   
 My personal scientific theory is that a good dose of humility on the part
of  most scientists could go a long way towards making this a better world
(even more so if they stopped denying the role values, emotions, etc. play
in all human endeavor).

>> authentic consensus work calls for a paradigm shift
>> truly committed to consensus

>I don't subscribe to the religion that consensus is the only or always
>the best way of making decisions. 

Why are you calling it a "religion" (Especially after you've established
in previous paragraphs how you feel about religion)?  Can you try to argue
without making putdown remarks?!

Besides, working by consensus doesn't mean that every decision needs to be
made by consensus, and nobody argued otherwise.

R.

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