Re: Work or Pay Systems
From: Racheli Gai (
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:51:31 -0700 (PDT)
Well, I profoundly disagree with the glowing assessment of capitalism provided by Tim, but my intention isn't to get into an argument over the nature of capitalism, and whether it's good or evil. I just wish to point out that at least one chunk of the disagreement, and especially the HEAT surrounding the debate regarding work and pay has to do with the different values/ideologies held by different people. I think that often issues become heated when there are deep competing sets of beliefs... This is also
what makes it hard (and sometimes impossible) to get them resolved.


On Jul 31, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Tim Mensch wrote:

There are problems with the current implementation of capitalism in the
US, but the fact is that capitalism is what enabled the creation of 99%
of the wealth (and probably several more nines after that) on the planet
today (see The Origin of Wealth, Beinhocker). Without it, you wouldn't
have the privilege of being able to live comfortably while criticizing
capitalism on a home computer, on the Internet--which also wouldn't
exist in its current form. Corruption--and pathological greed--is
focusing that wealth far too much to be healthy, but the existence of
that wealth is a direct result of capitalism.

It may not be perfect, but every other system that's been tried has
failed. Read The Soul of Capitalism by William Greider for ideas on how
to help improve capitalism. A point I made in the previous email--that I could be donating expert time instead of cleaning toilets--is an example of how cohousing would actually prevent that skill from being applied in
a way that would improve the world, and instead waste that expert time
and energy working on a task that you could pay $15/hour to quickly
dispatch. And in the latter case, you're helping someone who likely
needs the work, so how is this a bad thing, exactly?

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