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From: R Philip Dowds (rpdowdscomcast.net) | |
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:54:25 -0700 (PDT) |
I agree with Taryn Leigh's general assessment of size ranges below. I've designed a lot of 400 sq ft apartment units, both 1 bdrm and studio, and would note: • Studios work better than 1 bdrm at this size, but you have to figure out how to handle the bed so it doesn't own the room. • Storage is always an issue. If you have more than a minimalist array of possessions, you may need a storage alcove in the basement, or else a custom designed stacking system from floor to ceiling. • In-unit cooking should stay very simple, although you can get some pretty good Euro-style micro-appliances. Cooking anything elaborate is more likely to happen in the common kitchen. The unclimatized breezeway (the 8x8 3-season porch) sounds like a fun innovation, but watch out: Economies of both construction and energy savings result in multi-family when the units pack close together, minimizing exterior walls, circulation, etc. Separating them out as stand-alones could be more inefficient than single family homes. If you want to send me a sketch plan, I might have additional input. R Philip Dowds AIA Cornerstone Village Cohousing Cambridge, MA Sent from my iPad > On Oct 24, 2013, at 2:54 PM, "William C. Wood" <woodwc [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > Just a few related questions about the possibility of a studio as small > as 410 sf: > > 1. Is there a good archive of cohousing floor plans somewhere out there > in the public domain? > 2. Have you ever heard of connecting a modest number of individual units > to the common house through something like an 8 x 8 three-season, > acoustically isolating, porch on each unit? > 3. And, just speculating, if you could add that 8 x 8 space to a 410 sf > space, would that significantly alleviate the size concern for such a > small studio? > > (from someone at the *very early* design stages of a *potential* project) > > Bill > -- > William C. Wood > woodwc [at] gmail.com > http://williamcwood.com > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:12:38 -0400 > From: Sharon Villines<sharon [at] sharonvillines.com> > Subject: [C-L]_ Unit SF [was Private home dishwasher: 18 vs 24 inch > To: Cohousing-L<cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> > Message-ID:<F149F371-4B86-4BD7-B567-DAE7BBBE2AAF [at] sharonvillines.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Taryn Leigh<taryn_leigh [at] hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Studios: 410 SF >> One bedrooms: 510 SF > > These are extremely small. Have you lived in units this small? > > Consider that this includes the walls, bathroom, kitchen, and closets. A 20' > by 20' room becomes very small when you begin extracting those from it. The > 510 SF would be much more spacious feeling as a studio. Our best floor plan > and most flexible apartment is 625 SF with a bedroom and a den/dining room. > > I've lived in a 500 SF studio. With one person it was nice but claustrophobic > when I was working at home. I did not have room for both a desk and a dining > room table. Windows on one side. > > With a bedroom, one room would have no windows. > > A 600 SF studio was significantly more livable. > > Assume ~150 SF for the bathroom, kitchen, and storage. 410 SF would be 260 SF > of open floor space. A 610 SF studio would have 460 SF of open space. 40% > more even though it is only 30% larger. > > My daughter had an apartment in Manhattan built before WWII that had a ~25 SF > bathroom. The toilet faced the sink just inside the door. The door was about > half the size of an accessible door. Even my thin daughter had to enter > sideways. Once inside you could sit or stand, or step sideways into the ~4' > tub. There was ~4 SF of floor space and some of that was under the sink. No > storage. It had beautiful fixtures in aquamarine and was tiled very nicely. > The tile was in perfect condition after 60+ years. It was good construction, > well designed. Not an alteration. > > That apartment was 450 SF. The kitchen was behind a narrow counter. The bed > was a futon couch. > > I'm all for small apartments but they can only get so small unless you live > in a city where people tend to eat out and entertain out. Their unit is a > hotel room. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ > >
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Re: Unit SF [was Private home dishwasher: 18 vs 24 inch} William C. Wood, October 24 2013
- Re: Unit SF [was Private home dishwasher: 18 vs 24 inch} R Philip Dowds, October 25 2013
- Re: Unit SF [was Private home dishwasher: 18 vs 24 inch} Chris ScottHanson, October 25 2013
- Re: Unit SF [was Private home dishwasher: 18 vs 24 inch} Sharon Villines, October 25 2013
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