Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: Preparing for electric cars on site

[Liz Ryan Cole (lizryancole]

At Vermont Law School we give the prime location for parking (by location of 
chargers) to people driving electric cars.  Plus, everyone else walks by them 
every day.  Our Zip Cars are next to the electric cars so people coming from 
the community to use a Zip Car also get to see the electric cars close up.   
just more info for the mix. :)  liz


On Feb 18, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Catya Belfer wrote:


On the bright side, one charger can probably cover 4 spots if you get the
nice long cord on it :)

    - cat

Catya Belfer   -  www.catya.org
Technical Director   -   www.cohousing.org
Cohousing in MA - www.mosaic-commons.org

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Diana Carroll <dianaecarroll [at] gmail.com>
wrote:

> 
> Well, yes...I anticipate there will be some, ah, spirited discussion
> between the people in the two camps you describe.  :-)
> 
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Jerry McIntire <jerry.mcintire [at] 
> gmail.com
>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Diana, if you add EV charging spots in your general parking areas, just
> put
>> them in the "bad" (more distant) spots-- or if the community wants to
>> encourage EV ownership, put them in the "good" locations. Either way,
>> prohibit non-EV's from parking in those spots. A blocked charger is of no
>> use-- though they can be located between two spots, so they can be
> accessed
>> from either.
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> Jerry McIntire
>> Stone's Throw Ecovillage, in the heart of Wisconsin's beautiful Driftless
>> region
>> http://stonesthrowcommunity.wordpress.com/
>> 1-608-637-6620
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Diana Carroll <dianaecarroll [at] gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> We, mosaic commons, unfortunately did not prepare for electric cars so
> we
>>> are now having to figure it out after the fact.
>>> 
>>> In our community, we have two types of parking: carports, which were
>>> optional to purchase at the beginning, and general parking lot parking
>> for
>>> those who don't have carports.
>>> 
>>>  The carports have electricity already installed.  Each carport houses
>> 4-6
>>> cars, but the circuit that provides the electricity has enough power
> for
>>> one or at most two electric cars. (This is the "we didn't plan for
> this"
>>> issue.)
>>> 
>>> So far, two people have purchased electric cars, and both happen to be
>>> people who already owned spots in carports...separate carports,
>>> conveniently.
>>> 
>>> We required those two owners to install an electricity monitoring
> device
>> to
>>> keep track of how much electricity their cars use, and reimburse the
>>> community for the cost of that electricity. This works out okay for now
>>> when we have just the two, but totally doesn't scale.
>>> 
>>> There's a group in our community working on plans to build an
> additional
>>> carport. ( fortunately we do have space for this.). The new carport
> would
>>> be built with sufficient electricity for all the spots to have electric
>>> cars.  This will give us an additional 6 or so spots suitable for
>> electric
>>> cars, but will only be available to those who can afford the purchase
> of
>> a
>>> carport, which is in the vicinity of $8k.
>>> 
>>> With the new carport in place, our community of 34 units will be able
> to
>>> support some 10-12 electric cars.  If we need more than that, we are
>> going
>>> to have to do some serious thinking about economical ways to address
> the
>>> issue.
>>> 
>>> Less technically difficult but perhaps more challenging are the social
>>> ramifications: other than those with carports, our community parking is
>>> undesignated, and the "best" spots (those closest to the units) are
> taken
>>> on a first come first served basis.  (Hotly contested, let me tell
> you!).
>>> If we set up charging spots outside of carports, how do we make sure
> that
>>> the people with electric cars can access those spots when needed?  Do
> we
>>> reserve them just for individuals with electric cars?  Is that fair to
>>> everyone else, who are now competing for even fewer "good" spots in the
>>> lot?  We have not yet addressed these questions but I'm guessing before
>> the
>>> decade is out we will need to.
>>> 
>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>> 
>>> Diana
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, February 14, 2015, mburkel [at] juno.com <mburkel [at] 
>>> juno.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Winslow Cohousing is beginning to recognize that electric cars are
> here
>>>> and have started working on a plan.  I see a 2010 cohousing-L posting
>>> that
>>>> asked many of our questions but received NO responses.  In case more
>>>> communities have looked at the issues since then, I'm restarting that
>>>> thread.  Our shared electric car died several years ago and hasn't
> been
>>>> replaced but 2 members now have electric cars on site and more are
>>>> expected. From 2010:"I wonder what Cohousing communities are doing to
>>>> prepare for electric vehicles, owhich are likely to become more
> common
>> as
>>>> the plug-in hybrids (Nissan Leaf and Chevy Volt) become available. On
>>> this
>>>> list there are a few references to individual with electric cars, but
>> not
>>>> much in detail or in the last couple of years.
>>>> Questions: Where will such cars be parked?How many spaces are you
>>>> planning for?Who will pay for the infrastructure (outlets, etc)?How
>> will
>>>> the electricity used by paid for (metered or flat fee paid by the
>> owner,
>>> or
>>>> paid by the community)?Are there objections in the community to
>>> supporting
>>>> electric cars (Examples: "Internal combustion vehicles are more
>>>> eco-friendly." Or, "Electric cars will be acceptable only after we
> put
>> in
>>>> the infrastructure to capture/generate renewable energy ourselves.")?
>>> Marci
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