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From: Joani Blank (jeblank hooked.net)
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| Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:49:59 -0600 | |
NACoHoCon. Howzat for an acronym for the fall conference? Sounds kinda Native American to me but what do I know about linguistics or languages.. Hope I haven't idvertantly picked a word in some language that means Not In My Backyard, or Go Fly a Kite. JoaniAt 10:17 PM 3/25/97 -0600, you wrote: > COHOUSING-L Digest 107 > >Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Re: COHOUSING-L digest 106 > by MartyR707 [at] aol.com > 2) Re:Homeowners' Association Dues > by Joani Blank <jeblank [at] hooked.net> > 3) Next Great North American CoHousing Conference > by Joani Blank <jeblank [at] hooked.net> > 4) CC&Rs; radiant heat; MSV/MGC conference call > by Tom Nelson Scott <veda [at] csd.uwm.edu> > 5) Spring is springing up all over > by MelaSilva [at] aol.com > 6) RE: Cohousing-L tailing off > by "Rob Sandelin" <Floriferous [at] msn.com> > 7) Re:Homeowners' Association Dues > by abarbaro [at] wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (Ann Barbarow) > 8) re:Homeowners' Association Dues > by Judy <BAXTER [at] epivax.epi.umn.edu> > 9) good things to come > by Judy <BAXTER [at] epivax.epi.umn.edu> > 10) Eno Commons: Construction Ho! (fwd) > by Cohousing-L listmgr <fholson [at] MTN.ORG> > 11) Re: Homeowners' Association Dues > by MelaSilva [at] aol.com > 12) Re: Cohousing-L tailing off > by "Fred H. Olson" <fholson [at] maroon.tc.umn.edu> > 13) Fwd: Next Great North American CoHousing Conference > by MicalCedar [at] aol.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 01:27:39 -0500 (EST) >From: MartyR707 [at] aol.com >To: cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org, LouHarr [at] aol.com, MaryRu [at] >aol.com, >Subject: Re: COHOUSING-L digest 106 >Message-ID: <970325012738_281334167 [at] emout05.mail.aol.com> > > >In a message dated 3/24/97 9:24:42 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote: > ><<Finally, a plug for a third area of topics. I'd like to second others >suggestion to write down some stories of the good life in cohousing. Tell >us who don't live there yet what it's like once you're in. We hear so much >about meetings and busy schedules, will some lurkers get scared off? So >in theory we hear about dinners and community sharing, etc. Did you get >what you were hoping for? I believe these stories will do much for building >people's confidence and interest in cohousing.>> > >Yes!!! Please!! Thank you Brian for that suggestion. Boy, are we at the >point where we need good stories right now. I try to remind myself to >visualize living in our beautiful community a year from now, but it is really >hard in the midst of all this work!! (and fear and anxiety and difficult >decison making, etc.) > >The little practice activities we do (like Dave and Mary coming over to help >me lift my computer printer that I couldn't get out of my car, and Scott >bringing me lilacs from his back yard cuz he knows I love lilacs), help >remind us of more good things to come, but stories from those who are living >"in it" would be great! > >Marty Roberts >Two Acre Wood, Sebastopol >Where we're close to finalizing the CC&R's, and have some nice rituals >planned for our groundbreaking celebration in May. (And it looks pretty good >that we'll get concrete floors and radiant heat!!) > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 02:28:55 -0800 >From: Joani Blank <jeblank [at] hooked.net> >To: cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org >Subject: Re:Homeowners' Association Dues >Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970325021520.006c4c68 [at] mail.hooked.net> > >>how to allocate the HOA dues that we will need >>to start collecting once we move in. Various schemes suggest themselves: >>divided equally by the number of units, by the square footage of each >>unit, by the number of people in each household, and various combinations >>of the above. >> >Denise, > >I asked about that when I moved into Doyle Street. I even thought maybe the >allocation could take "ability to pay" into consideration as well as the >other factors you mentioned. However I was informed that by law--regulation >of the Department of Real Estate perhaps? --it has to be allocated by >square foot, at least here in California. There are obviously ways around >this, I think. You can have a small or medium sized regular monthly >assessment that is calcuated by square foot, and then have frequent >"special" assessments that you allocate any way you want, perhaps by the >color of one's house, or the kind of music s/he likes (smile). I don't >know how kosher this is, or even If I was given correct information. but >my guess is that if you did special assessments with some regularity it >would be obvious that you were trying to an end run around a regulation and > you might get in trouble. > >I, for one, like your new name. Was it contentious? Deciding on a name, I >mean. The Berkeley group is struggling with that one right now. > >Joani >Doyle St. and Old Oakland, Californaiyeh > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 02:28:58 -0800 >From: Joani Blank <jeblank [at] hooked.net> >To: cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org >Subject: Next Great North American CoHousing Conference >Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970325022449.00691fd0 [at] mail.hooked.net> > >I've heard rumors that the conference has been scheduled for late in >September or the very beginning of October. Perhaps my CoHousing Journal >would tell me but my reading pile is very backed up (darned email!). Marci, >will you please tell us when we should head for Seattle (exact dates, that >is). And remember to ask us for help when you figure out what you need in >the way of assistance. Even if you ask, you might not get the help, but I >can guarantee you won't get it if you don't ask. <smile> > >Joani Blank >Doyle St. Cohousing and Old Oakland (Swan's Market) > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 05:06:42 -0600 (CST) >From: Tom Nelson Scott <veda [at] csd.uwm.edu> >To: cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org >Cc: reception [at] mgc-vastu.com >Subject: CC&Rs; radiant heat; MSV/MGC conference call >Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970325044353.27898A-100000 [at] alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> > >On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 MartyR707 [at] aol.com wrote: > >> Two Acre Wood, Sebastopol >> Where we're close to finalizing the CC&R's, and have some nice rituals >> planned for our groundbreaking celebration in May. (And it looks pretty good >> that we'll get concrete floors and radiant heat!!) > >1. CC&Rs: I'm looking around for a website or some other > source where cohousing CC&Rs are posted. Any suggestions? > >2. Concrete floors and radiant heat: Sounds great to me. I've been > inundated with messages from three green construction lists > (greenbuilding, strawbale, and ee) plus the usual website > searching. Can anyone on this list give a coho layperson's summary > of radiant heat in concrete floors? > >3. Marriage of spirit and practicality: Today's MSV/MGC conference > call has been scheduled for a later date. Anyone who'd like more > information on Maharishi Sthapatya Ved and Maharishi Global > Construction can email to reception [at] mgc-vastu.com for a free > brochure. The MSV/MGC website is in preparation. I'll post the URL > soon. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tom Nelson Scott Phone/Fax: 1-414-966-2902 >[company name] Business email: tom.scott [at] veda-home.com >W330 N8357 West Shore Drive Academic email: veda [at] csd.uwm.edu >Hartland WI 53029-9732 Academic web: http://www.uwm.edu/~veda > "Do less, accomplish more." >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:04:09 -0500 (EST) >From: MelaSilva [at] aol.com >To: cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org >Subject: Spring is springing up all over >Message-ID: <970325100408_1151440297 [at] emout10.mail.aol.com> > > Here at Southside Park in Sacramento, the daffodils have already given >their all, the new asparagus bed needs steady wheelbarrows full of compost, >apricot trees have bloomed, the kiwi has really amazing furry leaves, the >kids are gathering jars full of rolly-pollys, every single yard has a >different group of flowering shrubs, we ate FABULOUS lettuce and baby snow >peas from our gardens at the last 2 meals. I learned how to thin the >extravegant number of teensy tiny soon-to-be fruit on one of the plumcot >trees, a very big deal to a city kid who never had a garden before! > Ever since we moved in 3 years ago, 2-4 kids have walked to the school >bus stop, accompanied by 1 adult. I joined them so that I could get an early >morning stretch, and now we often have a parade, with 3 or more adults, and >1 or 2 baby strollers joining in the mile and a half roundtrip fun. It really >is amazing how long it takes to get to know a few dozen people, especially >when we have such busy lives.That half hour walk has allowed our friendships >to really bloom. > A few months ago we rented a Karaoke machine and had a talent show. GREAT >fun! So now we are preparing for our "Silly and/or Talented" Contest on April >6, with "Silly and/or talented" prizes. Hope it will be a regular/irregular >event here! > >And that's it from Sacratamatoe! :) Have a great day! >Pam > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 18:22:07 UT >From: "Rob Sandelin" <Floriferous [at] msn.com> >Subject: RE: Cohousing-L tailing off >Message-ID: <UPMAIL03.199703251521470547 [at] msn.com> > > >>Re-read Rob Sandelin's inspirational note from a couple of weeks back on >>why groups fail and what to do to prevent it. (Rob, how about posting that >>from time to time to give us all a kick in the butt.) > >could be achieved by posting Rob's note on the web and Joani (or anyone) >periodically mentioning it and it's url on the list. > > >Gad how embarrassing, er, I don't have it anymore. If somebody does and wants >to post it go for it. I can't even remember what I said :-) > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:21:52 -0800 (PST) >From: abarbaro [at] wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (Ann Barbarow) >To: jeblank [at] hooked.net, >Subject: Re:Homeowners' Association Dues > >At 04:30 AM 3/25/97 -0600, Joani Blank wrote: > However I was informed that by law--regulation >>of the Department of Real Estate perhaps? --it has to be allocated by >>square foot, at least here in California. > >I have never heard of such a thing. At Muir Commons (in Davis, CA), our >monthly dues were set by the Department of Real Estate and they are per >unit. Several people have tried to get a move afoot to change the structure >to recognize that households with more people tend to make greater use of >community resources, but that has never gotten too far. Some people have >thought we should somehow factor in "ability to pay", but that is a very >sticky topic. > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:41:37 -0600 (CST) >From: Judy <BAXTER [at] epivax.epi.umn.edu> >To: cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org >Subject: re:Homeowners' Association Dues >Message-ID: <01IGX26U63HE9D973W [at] epivax.epi.umn.edu> > >I guess the fees thing varies by location. We were told that most condos do >either 1- by square foot >or > 2- per unit, regardless of size. > >A Cohouser from Tasmania (sorry, I forget his name) told of his group's >agonizing discussions, and eventual use of a log formula, to mix the two. > >We looked at that, decided too complex for most in the group to understand, and >instead looked at a proportional mixture of 1 and 2 above. We settled on >25% of fees assessed on per unit basis, 75% by square footage. That seemed to >allow something for larger usage by large households, but also the fact that >smaller homes may use common spaces more, or at least some minimum share of the >costs. As I always say, there is no one "fair" way, you just have to pick >something. > >Personally, the per unit way seems pretty unfair to me, as fewer folks tend to >live in less space. We discussed using number of persons, or adults, or >something, but decided we wanted the fees to go with the home, and not vary if >someone moves in or out. > >However, the group (in my absence, I might add) did a special assessment on a >per unit basis, to cover costs not covered by a rental. I gather the thought >of some was to motivate marketing. > >It's a tough issue for all of us, I think > >Judy > >Judy Baxter, Monterey Cohousing Community,(MoCoCo) Twin Cities Area, Mpls.,MN >-- e-mail: baxter [at] epivax.epi.umn.edu >****STARTING to remodel our Common Kitchen****** >****AND remodel laundry and create a warm woodshop >****AND close to installing a flotation tank, and then a Hot Tub >-- Resident of the "mansion"- the 1st 8 homes in a rehab Georgian building built >as a retirement home in 1924 - >-- 7 new townhouses (additions to the community) are done! - and occupied, one > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >is left for a Cohouser buyer, move in after June 1,1997 - 3 BR, >2 car tuck under garage, $145,000 > Voice Mail for Monterey Cohousing - 612-930-7554 > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:43:03 -0600 (CST) >From: Judy <BAXTER [at] epivax.epi.umn.edu> >To: cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org >Subject: good things to come >Message-ID: <01IGXAGORN8I9D8Z9A [at] epivax.epi.umn.edu> > >Marty Roberts Two Acre Wood, Sebastopol >wrote: (MAR 25, 1997) ><< Please!! Thank you Brian for that suggestion. Boy, are we at the >point where we need good stories right now. I try to remind myself to >visualize living in our beautiful community a year from now, but it is really >hard in the midst of all this work!! (and fear and anxiety and difficult >decison making, etc.)>> > >Well, we aren't "there" yet in terms of rehab, but we are part way. What comes >to mind for me is coming home after work one night last December, somewhere >around Hanukah. I come from a "secular" Jewish family, but until my son went >away to college, I always had a Hanukah dinner. Had done that a couple of >times in Cohousing (the kids love playing the Dreidel game for chocolate >money). Anyhow, for various reasons, mostly exhaustion, I had no plans. but i >came home to find Ken (not Jewish) making Potato Latkes for Dinner. Aha! i >said, and found my notes, words for prayers, yarmulkes, menorah, dreidels, >even some chocolate money to go with scrounged up pennies. Someone else added >more stuff for dinner, and we had a lovely impromptu celebration that for me is >a solstice/Hanukah/festival of lights. No planning, no anxiety, it was really >warm and relaxed. > >I don't remember how many were there, but typically we cook for more than those >who sign up and somehow, people appear. > >Judy >Judy Baxter, Monterey Cohousing Community,(MoCoCo) Twin Cities Area, Mpls.,MN >-- e-mail: baxter [at] epivax.epi.umn.edu >****STARTING to remodel our Common Kitchen****** >****AND remodel laundry and create a warm woodshop >****AND close to installing a flotation tank, and then a Hot Tub >-- Resident of the "mansion"- the 1st 8 homes in a rehab Georgian building built >as a retirement home in 1924 - >-- 7 new townhouses (additions to the community) are done! - and occupied, one > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >is left for a Cohouser buyer, move in after June 1,1997 - 3 BR, >2 car tuck under garage, $145,000 > Voice Mail for Monterey Cohousing - 612-930-7554 > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:05:04 -0600 (CST) >From: Cohousing-L listmgr <fholson [at] MTN.ORG> >To: cohousing-L [at] MTN.ORG >Subject: Eno Commons: Construction Ho! (fwd) >Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970325160103.11843A-100000 [at] freedom.mtn.org> > >Sherri Zann Rosenthal of enocommons [at] compuserve.com >is the author of the message below but due to a problem it was posted >by the Fred the list manager: owner-cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org > >Tomorrow morning, March 25, construction starts at Eno Commons CoHousing. > >Also tomorrow, the documents for our Homeowners' Association and our >restrictive covenants will be filed, and the land will be transferred from >my name into the development company. > >We still have 9 beautiful lots left. Lots from $39,900. Home prices, >complete with lot, commons house, water and sewer, from below $120,000. >Please let people know about Eno Commons and this exciting milestone. > >In community, >Sherri > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:54:18 -0500 (EST) >From: MelaSilva [at] aol.com >To: cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org >Subject: Re: Homeowners' Association Dues >Message-ID: <970325175158_-1437592717 [at] emout08.mail.aol.com> > >In a message dated 97-03-25 13:15:36 EST, you write: > >>We settled on >>25% of fees assessed on per unit basis, 75% by square footage. > >We did it this way, too. I am not sure it was 25/75, but close. > >Pam >Southside Park, Sacramento > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:22:13 CST >From: "Fred H. Olson" <fholson [at] maroon.tc.umn.edu> >To: cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org >Subject: Re: Cohousing-L tailing off >Message-ID: <87462.fholson [at] maroon.tc.umn.edu> > >Tho I think there may be a tendency to try and read too much into the >"tailing off" of the number of messages on Cohousing-L, the discussion >seems to be of interest based on the number of replies. Maybe we are >wondering if it portends something about the long term viability of >cohousing-L or even popularity of cohousing generally. Here in Minnesota >many of us sense that we are (uniquely ?) experiencing a decline in >cohousing interest. It's sort of a crisis of confidence in the value of >the idea - more in our heads than real I hope (and think). (I think it >can be largely be explained by burnout, maturing of initial enthusiasm >and lack of burning soles to organize area-wide activity and outreach.) > >I think cohousing is a good idea in the LONG RUN and bumps along the way >should not deter us. I am also confident that cohousing-L will continue >to be a useful tool for shifting reasons and a shifting group of people. > >In any case I decided to analyze the Cohousing-L number of messages a >little closer -- numbers are relatively easy examine (compared to >reality)... As we know numbers can lie, after all the "incense for >sale" and the "exclusive recreational community" spams counted as posted >messages. > >If we exclude the first year or so when the list was clearly building up, >and adjust for down time ( see below): > >The 2 years or so before the move, the average was 211 msg per month. >In the year or so since the move, the average has been 108 msg per month. > >It is clear now that the statement in the introduction to the list: >"Cohousing-L is a high volume list with about 300 messages per month." >is / was an overstatement even before the move. The number of messages >per month has fluctuated substantially and only 3 times exceeded 300. > >My hypothesis is still that the decline in numbers relates mostly to the >move to a new listserver AND the one month down time to make the move. >Therefore I decided to look closer at the pre-move decline that Stuart's >graph showed. I decided to look at month to month numbers and plot them; >see below. I looked up the significant server down times and put >them on the graph which significantly explains 2 months with low numbers >in the post-peak / pre-move period (6/95-1/96). That leaves one month >with low numbers in that period - September 1995. That month was in the >lead up to the second national convention and it may have been that people >were busy getting ready for the conference and posted less often (tho >emailed to other conference participants more ??) > >Thus I dont put too much significance on the pre-move decline. >I've previously stated a couple post-move factors and that >I DO NOT see the lower numbers to be a "problem". > >Fred > >Cohousing-L -- number of messages posted per month Compiled by Fred H. Olson ># messages: 100 150 200 300 > | | | | March >10/92 * | | | 3 | 24,1997 >11/92 * | | | 1 | >12/92 **** | | | 22 | > 1/93 ******* | | | 36 | > 2/93 * | | | 1 | > 3/93 ** | | | 11 | > 4/93 *** | | | 14 | > 5/93 ******** | | | 40 | > 6/93 *** | | | 14 | > 7/93 ********** | | | 53 | > 8/93 ****** | | | 31 | > 9/93 ****** | | | 30 | >10/93 * | | | 7 | >11/93 *******************|** | | 109 | >12/93 ****** | | | 32 | > 1/94 *********** | | | 55 | > 2/94 ****************** | | | 91 | > 3/94 *******************|******** | | 143 | > 4/94 *******************|*** | | 117 | > 5/94 *******************|*********|****** | 179 | > 6/94 *******************|*********|* | 157 | > 7/94 *******************|******** | | 143 | > 8/94 *******************|*********|*********|********264** | > 9/94 *******************|*********|*********|**** 222 | >10/94 *******************|****** | | 129 | >11/94 *******************|*********|** | 162 | >12/94 *******************|*********|***** | 175 | > 1/95 *******************|*********|********* 194 | > 2/95 *******************|*********|*********|******* 236 | > 3/95 *******************|*********|*********|********279***** | > 4/95 *******************|*********|*********|****** 231 | > 5/95 *******************|*********|*********|********301********* > 6/95 *******************|*********|*********|********360********|************ > 7/95 *******************............................ 94 (235) | dn:18 days > 8/95 *******************|*********|*********|********291******* | > 9/95 *******************|**** | | 119 (pre | natl conf) >10/95 *******************|*********|*********|********315********|*** >11/95 *******************|**********............... 151 (227) | dn:10 days >12/95 *******************|*********|********* 196 | > 1/96 *******************|*********|*********|* 204 | > 2/96 * | | | 1 | dn:30 days > 3/96 *******************|**** | | 123 | (at mtn) > 4/96 ************** | | | 72 | > 5/96 ************** | | | 70 | > 6/96 *******************|***** | | 126 | > 7/96 *******************|**** | | 123 | > 8/96 ***************** | | | 84 | > 9/96 ************** | | | 70 | >10/96 *******************|********** | 149 | >11/96 **************** | | | 79 | >12/96 **************........ | | 73 (109) | dn:10 days > 1/97 *******************|***** | | 124 | > 2/97 *************** | | | 75 | > 3/97 ************** |(partial)| | 69 | > | | | | > 100 150 200 300 > >NOTES: >* = 5 messages 3/24/97 >. = 5 messages that may have been posted if listserv was not down >(nnn) total number of messages or month that may have been posted if " " > # that "may have been posted" based on ((actual # msg) / (days up)) * 30 >subtotal 3/94 thru 1/96 4662 22 months (down about 30 days) 211/mo >subtotal 3/96 thru 3/24/97 1237 11.5 months (dn 10 days, part 3/97) 108/mo > >-- >Fred H. Olson fholson [at] tc.umn.edu >(612)588-9532 Amateur radio: WB0YQM List manager of: >Cohousing-L See http://www.cohousing.org/ and >Twin Cities Neighborhood issues list. See http://freenet.msp.mn.us/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:56:24 -0500 (EST) >From: MicalCedar [at] aol.com >To: Cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org >Subject: Fwd: Next Great North American CoHousing Conference >Message-ID: <970325225454_1452945897 [at] emout14.mail.aol.com> > >In response to Joni's quire: at Marci's instruction I have blocked off >SEPTEMBER 19-21 for the North American Cohousing Conf. The site is the UoW >School of Architecture and Urban Planning.....and I'm sure that Marci can use >some help. > >Michael.......Olympia Cohosing Assoc >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: jeblank [at] hooked.net (Joani Blank) >Sender: cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org >Reply-to: jeblank [at] hooked.net >Date: 97-03-25 06:05:35 EST > >I've heard rumors that the conference has been scheduled for late in >September or the very beginning of October. Perhaps my CoHousing Journal >would tell me but my reading pile is very backed up (darned email!). Marci, >will you please tell us when we should head for Seattle (exact dates, that >is). And remember to ask us for help when you figure out what you need in >the way of assistance. Even if you ask, you might not get the help, but I >can guarantee you won't get it if you don't ask. <smile> > >Joani Blank >Doyle St. Cohousing and Old Oakland (Swan's Market) > > >------------------------------ > >End of COHOUSING-L Digest 107 >***************************** > >
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