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Someone on the list wrote: >It doesn't really have to do with whether a person is liked or not. I wasn't >being clear. I have had the same experiences as you. My point is that if you >require a person to do more than come up with a mortgage, i.e., participate >in the group or make membership payments, you can't put your homes up for >sale with a realtor on the open market. Legally, that is discrimination. Legally, discrimination only pertains to protected classes. Basically, federal laws that override state laws regard discrimination based on the protected classes (like race, religion, etc. I believe there are now 7 federally protected classes in regards to real estate transactions, but I could be mistaken on that.) Anything out of the protected classes (and not dealing with HUD money which comes with its own regulations) is up to states to decide, so what is legal and not legal (past federal discrimination issues) will vary from state to state. Christine Della Maggiora Eno Commons Cohousing, Durham NC cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org wrote: > > COHOUSING-L Digest 42 > > Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Re: [Voluntary vs mandatory cooking teams] > by Tom Pendleton <tomtours [at] netscape.net> > 2) Re: Realtors / Marketing > by Raines Cohen <coho-L [at] raines.com> > 3) Southern CA communities? > by "Todd Perkins" <todd_perkins [at] sccfe.org> > 4) Re: Realtors / Marketing > by "Bitner/Stevenson" <lilbert [at] earthlink.net> > 5) Re: Realtors / Marketing > by "Victoria" <victoria [at] trillium-hollow.org> > 6) Re: Realtors / Marketing > by "Bitner/Stevenson" <lilbert [at] earthlink.net> > 7) Re: Southern CA communities? > by Steve Habib Rose <habib [at] thegarden.net> > 8) Language use: 'CoHousing Community' (fwd) > by Steve Habib Rose <habib [at] thegarden.net> > 9) Cohousing and Co-neighborhoods > by Steve Habib Rose <habib [at] thegarden.net> > 10) Extra McCamant & Durrett Books for sale > by "Fred H. Olson" <fholson [at] cohousing.org> > 11) Swedish cohousing WWW sites in Swedish -- help! > by "Fred H. Olson" <fholson [at] cohousing.org> > 12) Re: Playgrounds > by Rowena Conkling <rowenac [at] worldnet.att.net> > 13) Private vs Community Issues (Abuse, Alcoholism, etc.) > by "S. Fradenburgh & J. Taylor" <safjst [at] mindspring.com> > 14) looking for built or nearly built cohousing elsewhere > by Alex Aminoff <alex [at] sylvia.harvard.edu> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: 26 May 99 13:11:08 PDT > From: Tom Pendleton <tomtours [at] netscape.net> > To: fholson [at] cohousing.org, > Subject: Re: [Voluntary vs mandatory cooking teams] > Message-ID: <19990526201108.22234.qmail [at] ww182.netaddress.usa.net> > > For reasons I've never understood, my e-mail - like most - shows me messages > in reverse order (the most recent first), so i had to go through all the > responses before I got back to the original question on this one - and that is > important in this case. > > Knowing the question originated in Sweden puts a different light on the > situation. For one thing, "free" in northern Europe is a standard phrase of > jargon and immediately grasped by people there. Let's just say, in American > usage, that it implies less government regulation. Thus, people who like > living in a "free" environment are, understandably, reluctant to agree to > mandatory rules. > > Furthermore, I was excited to read that this concerned a former nursing home > (I can't spell convellescent, as you see), wondering where in North america > this was, as I knew they existed abroad. Imagine my disappointment... > > I know places here that of each method of cooking (mandatory or voluntary). > Personally, I like the suggestion that any rule be set up for perhaps a three > month trial period, then it "sunsets" and has to be revisited. > > "Fred H. Olson" <fholson [at] cohousing.org> wrote: > In corresponding with Swedish cohousing communities that I might visit > this summer I got this question and decided to forward to the list. > > Fred > > -- > Fred H. Olson fholson [at] cohousing.org Minneapolis,MN 55411 > (612)588-9532 Amateur radio: WB0YQM List manager of: > Cohousing-L See http://www.cohousing.org and Nbhd-tc -- Twin > Cities Neighborhood issues list. See http://freenet.msp.mn.us > > What do you think about voluntary vs. mandatory cooking teams? We're kind > of divided in the issue: those for mandatory feel that the soul of the > co-house will be at risk if people decide to opt out, turning the house > into just another tenament bldg in the long term. Those for voluntary > don't like coercion and feel it goes against the spirit of our "free" > community. Comments? > > Ours is a old convalescent home rebuilt into 32 apartments with kitchens. > There are group areas in the basement as well as a common kitchen and mes > hall. > > Peace > Dana > > <dana [at] swipnet.se> > Foreningen EKBO Skondal 30/ Building > Dana Hofford dana [at] swipnet.se > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:06:49 -0700 > From: Raines Cohen <coho-L [at] raines.com> > To: "coho-L mailing list" <cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org> > Subject: Re: Realtors / Marketing > Message-ID: <1284395051-830399365 [at] raines.com> > > "Bitner/Stevenson" <lilbert [at] earthlink.net> wrote on 5/25/99 05:36 PM: > > >if you list a home through a > >realtor, you MAY NOT discriminate in any way against the buyer. That means > >if you don't like someone who wants to be a part of the group, you have no > >choice whether to let them in or not. You must sell to anyone who meets your > >asking price. This is a huge drawback. > > It doesn't need to be. Our group was open to anyone who wanted to join... > they just had to attend two meetings and pay some small fees and then > monthly $100 dues (if a full member; none for the waitlist members who > didn't have a unit available). > > It was a question of: are THEY willing to live with US, rather than vice > versa. Are THEY willing to do the work, go to the meetings, participate > in the consensus process, etc. We ended up with a fairly well-balanced > group... some dropped out along the way (and others may yet). > > Raines > > Raines Cohen <coho-L [at] raines.com> <http://www.swansway.com> > Member, Old Oakland [CA] Cohousing at Swan's Market & East Bay Coho > Where we just lost a small battle with a city agency over a neighboring > property: it'll be delayed and pricey, but at least not tall! > WANTED: Union Steelworkers in Oakland. REWARD OFFERED! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:36:09 -0700 > From: "Todd Perkins" <todd_perkins [at] sccfe.org> > To: cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org > Subject: Southern CA communities? > Message-ID: <19990526143753.2af6bd40134a11d385a000105a28850d.in [at] > tron.webannex.net> > > Hello all! > > I have been lurking in the background following this list for some time. I > must say that you have one of the most loving/caring lists I have ever been > on. Thank you all for your energy. > > Q: Does anyone know of any cohousing in southern California? > (I have heard of one near the San Diego area but it seems to allude my > finding it.) > > Thanks > Todd :-) > > ========================================================== > todd_perkins [at] sccfe.org http://sccfe.org 916.772.7432 > ========================================================== > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:34:56 +0100 > From: "Bitner/Stevenson" <lilbert [at] earthlink.net> > To: coho-L [at] raines.com, > Subject: Re: Realtors / Marketing > Message-ID: <199905270036.RAA11824 [at] gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> > > -- > Liz Stevenson > Southside Park Cohousing > Sacramento, California > > ---------- > >From: Raines Cohen <coho-L [at] raines.com> > >To: Multiple recipients of list <cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org> > >Subject: Re: Realtors / Marketing > >Date: Wed, May 26, 1999, 10:11 PM > > > > > you MAY NOT discriminate in any way against the buyer. That means > >>if you don't like someone who wants to be a part of the group, you have no > >>choice whether to let them in or not. You must sell to anyone who meets your > >>asking price. This is a huge drawback. > > > > It doesn't need to be. Our group was open to anyone who wanted to join... > > they just had to attend two meetings and pay some small fees and then > > monthly $100 dues > > Even those requirements are illegal if you use a realtor to sell homes. > > Using a mortgage broker is another aspect that has been brought up. We did > that, with mixed results, but I wouldn't want to go out hunting for 25 > mortgages without one. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:12:08 -0700 > From: "Victoria" <victoria [at] trillium-hollow.org> > To: <cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org> > Subject: Re: Realtors / Marketing > Message-ID: <001301bea7e6$52f299a0$0118a8c0@victoria> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEA7AB.A6616700 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Dear List, > > I have a question about this statement: > > >- if you list a home through a > realtor, you MAY NOT discriminate in any way against the buyer. That = > means > if you don't like someone who wants to be a part of the group, you have = > no > choice whether to let them in or not. You must sell to anyone who meets = > your > asking price. < > > How can you know, in general, that you don't want a particular person in = > your community? Since living at Trillium-Hollow in Portland, OR for = > almost a year, I've been surprised to find that: a few people that I = > initially liked are causing problems, others who I was indifferent to = > are either firm friends or atleast reasonable community members. So = > I've gotten the feeling that I shouldn't be too quick to trust my = > judgment in this area. (BTW I've been a counselor for 20 years so = > supposedly am good at understanding people). > > Another question: have there been problems with particular people in = > cohousing that go beyond the deeply annoying into actual danger? If = > yes, how do we avoid this? =20 > > Victoria > > ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEA7AB.A6616700 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> > <HTML> > <HEAD> > > <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> > </HEAD> > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Dear List,</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">I have a question about this=20 > statement:</FONT></DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV>>- if you list a home through a<BR>realtor, you MAY NOT = > discriminate in=20 > any way against the buyer. That means<BR>if you don't like someone who = > wants to=20 > be a part of the group, you have no<BR>choice whether to let them in or = > not. You=20 > must sell to anyone who meets your<BR>asking price. <</DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">How can you know, in general, that you = > don't=20 > want a particular person in your community? Since living at=20 > Trillium-Hollow in Portland, OR for almost a year, I've been surprised = > to find=20 > that: a few people that I initially liked are causing problems, others = > who I was=20 > indifferent to are either firm friends or atleast reasonable community=20 > members. So I've gotten the feeling that I shouldn't be too quick = > to trust=20 > my judgment in this area. (BTW I've been a counselor for 20 years = > so=20 > supposedly am good at understanding people).</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Another question: have there been = > problems with=20 > particular people in cohousing that go beyond the deeply annoying into = > actual=20 > danger? If yes, how do we avoid this? </FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans = > MS">Victoria</FONT></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML> > > ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEA7AB.A6616700-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:39:12 +0100 > From: "Bitner/Stevenson" <lilbert [at] earthlink.net> > To: victoria [at] trillium-hollow.org, > Subject: Re: Realtors / Marketing > Message-ID: <199905270238.TAA09209 [at] gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> > > -- > Liz Stevenson > Southside Park Cohousing > Sacramento, California > > ---------- > >From: "Victoria" <victoria [at] trillium-hollow.org> > >To: Multiple recipients of list <cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org> > >Subject: Re: Realtors / Marketing > >Date: Thu, May 27, 1999, 3:17 AM > > > > > How can you know, in general, that you don't want a particular person in = > > your community? > > It doesn't really have to do with whether a person is liked or not. I wasn't > being clear. I have had the same experiences as you. My point is that if you > require a person to do more than come up with a mortgage, i.e., participate > in the group or make membership payments, you can't put your homes up for > sale with a realtor on the open market. Legally, that is discrimination. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:26:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: Steve Habib Rose <habib [at] thegarden.net> > To: Multiple recipients of list <cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org> > Subject: Re: Southern CA communities? > Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.03.9905270711430.9489-100000 [at] eve.speakeasy.org> > > On Wed, 26 May 1999, Todd Perkins wrote: > > > Q: Does anyone know of any cohousing in southern California? > > (I have heard of one near the San Diego area but it seems to allude my > > finding it.) > > The Cohousing Network maintains a very valuable website at > http://www.cohousing.org If you visit that website, under Groups, California, > you will find an email contact (Jennifer Phelps at psychojer [at] yahoo.com) > for the > San Diego group, as well as information about a Pasadena/Altadena group. The > direct URL to this section of the website is > http://www.cohousing.org/Groups.htm#California > > You may also be interested in learning about the Los Angeles Eco-Village. > Info > at http://alumni.caltech.edu/~mignon/laev.html > > Please keep me (or the cohousing-L list, as appropriate) informed about any > other cohousing related projects you find in Southern California. I am from > there originally (now live in Seattle) and do a fair amount of organizing > there. > > Yours, > > Steve Habib Rose > Email: habib [at] thegarden.net > ICQ: 7649155 > > Host of The Garden > http://www.thegarden.net > Founder of the Co-neighborhoods Network > http://www.coneighborhoods.net > Board Member of the > Northwest Intentional Communities Association > http://www.infoteam.com/nonprofit/nica/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:39:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: Steve Habib Rose <habib [at] thegarden.net> > To: cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org > Subject: Language use: 'CoHousing Community' (fwd) > Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.03.9905270736440.9489-100000 [at] eve.speakeasy.org> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:45:47 +0000 > From: David Weston <dweston [at] cqm.co.uk> > Reply-To: intentional-communities [at] egroups.com > Subject: [intentional-communities] Language use: 'CoHousing Community' > > CoHousing Friends-wherever you are, > As some of you may know, I have felt it necessary to refer to > 'CoHousing' in its 'more-than-just-housing' context. This has been to > reflect the Danish word 'bofoellesskaber' which, according to one of my > Danish friends, is most accurately translated as 'living together > communities'. In the past, I have, therefore, been using the term > 'CoHousing Neighbourhoods', rather than just 'CoHousing'. > However, as a result of a phone conversation with CoHousing > activist Martin Fields of Liverpool University, I have concluded that the > qualifying word 'Community' best describes any specific CoHousing project, > with the word 'Neighbourhood' reflecting more accurately the larger area, > which may well be made up of a series of 'CoHousing Communities'. > I hope the use of the phrase 'CoHousing Community' helps to move > the community development agenda along. Comments would be welcomed. > Sincerely, > > David J. Weston. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Weather Underground. We provide weather across the world. > Visit http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/48 > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/intentional-communities > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:49:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Steve Habib Rose <habib [at] thegarden.net> > To: cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org > Subject: Cohousing and Co-neighborhoods > Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.03.9905271256350.11482-100000 [at] eve.speakeasy.org> > > Hello. > > I would value some discussion on Cohousing and Co-neighborhoods. > "Co-neighborhood" is a new term for an intentional community whose members > live > in the same part of town but not adjacent to one another. Please see the > Co-neighborhoods Network homepage at http://www.coneighborhoods.net for more > information. > > I believe there is tremendous potential for synergy between cohousing (and > other > intentional communities) and co-neighborhoods. I will provide a starting list > below. Your comments and additions would be most welcome. > > 1. Learning from each other. Since cohousing is a much better established > model, those of us involved with co-neighborhoods can be the beneficiary of > much > of the learning thus far. But, eventually we might have one or two things to > teach as well. > > 2. Making referrals to each other. In the Seattle area, we have a very close > relationship with a number of cohousing communities. We have made several > referrals to those communities, and Marci Malinowycz, cohousing activist > extraordinaire, has sent a number of referrals our way. > > 3. Collaborating in events and marketing. For example, the Co-neighborhoods > Network is organizing a panel discussion on "Neighborhood Communities" on > Friday > October 1 that will feature two of the top writers/speakers in the Voluntary > Simplicity movement (Cecile Andrews author of the Circle of Simplicity, and > Janet Luhrs author of Simple Living). We will include cohousing in this > discussion, provide tablespace for Northwest Cohousing, the Northwest > Intentional Communities Association etc. At the recent American Planning > Association conference in Seattle, the Co-neighborhoods Network had our flyer > at > a table focusing on cohousing etc. > > 4. Collaboration on other activities. For example, Ciel Cohousing in West > Seattle may be needed some assistance with relocating some plants when they > have > their groundbreaking this summer (hooray!) Several members of my > co-neighborhood, the Rainier Valley Rainbow, are very interested in gardening, > and may be interested in doin some diggin to help out. Seems like a > "coneighborly" thing to do :-) > > 5. Developing co-neighborhoods as "auxiliaries" to cohousing communities. I > believe one of the most promising opportunities may be the development in > parallel of cohousing and associated co-neighborhoods. Cohousing communities > provide natural meeting places such as Common Houses that could be used by > members of area co-neighborhoods. And co-neighborhoods can help provide > outreach and diversity for cohousing communities. Co-neighborhoods also > provide > a model for linking together different cohousing communities in the same part > of > town with each other as well as other interested individuals and families. > > 6. Using a co-neighborhood as an intermediate stage on the road toward > cohousing. It is my impression that there is typically a period of several > years before a cohousing community becomes a reality. What better way to > learn > how to work together in community than by starting to share resources before > breaking ground and moving in together? > > 7. Co-neighborhoods as an alternative to cohousing. While co-neighborhoods > imply a lower degree of community involvement than cohousing, there may be > many > situations when they are a viable alternative. These include situations where > for one reason or another building new cohousing or retrofitting an urban > neighborhood just isn't feasible. They also include situations where the > people > involved simply do not have the money to afford to buy into cohousing, or, for > other reasons do not wish to live in a community (for example, when one > partner > of a couple has no interest in living in a community). > > I am sending a separate copy of this post to the coneighborhoods-L discussion > list, since I am new to cohousing-L and am not sure of your policy on sending > posts to more than one list at a time. > > Looking forward to sharing with you. > > Yours, > > Steve Habib Rose > Email: habib [at] thegarden.net > ICQ: 7649155 > > Host of The Garden > http://www.thegarden.net > Founder of the Co-neighborhoods Network > http://www.coneighborhoods.net > Board Member of the > Northwest Intentional Communities Association > http://www.infoteam.com/nonprofit/nica/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:34:49 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Fred H. Olson" <fholson [at] cohousing.org> > To: cohousing-L list <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> > Subject: Extra McCamant & Durrett Books for sale > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990527183302.25081A-100000 [at] freedom.mtn.org> > > Toni Smith, Creek's Bend Cohousing <mcsmith [at] albany.net> > is the author of the message below, it was posted > by the Fred the list manager: owner-cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org > Please direct response to her directly. > -------------------- FORWARDED MESSAGE FOLLOWS -------------------- > > Toni Smith wrote, > > I have an extra 10 copies, brand new of the McCamant & Durect Book: > Cohousing for sale at 20% off which is the cost I paid, when I bought a > large quantity from a local bookstore. Our cohousing group dissolved, > not enough people - we had land too. > > Sadly, I need to sell these books please list it on the listserve, I do > not want to rejoin the listserv for this one message if possible. > > Thank you. > > Toni Smith, Creek's Bend Cohousing. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:20:04 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Fred H. Olson" <fholson [at] cohousing.org> > To: cohousing-L list <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> > Subject: Swedish cohousing WWW sites in Swedish -- help! > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990528081107.13148B-100000 [at] freedom.mtn.org> > > I will be going on the tour of cohousing around Copenhagen > the end of June. It's looking like a great trip. There's room for two > more people... (see www.cohousing.org) > > I am extending the trip by going to Sweden to visit relatives and > cohousing before the Copenhagen tour. I have had contact with several > cohousing communities in the Stockholm area. There is background > information about them on the WWW - in Swedish only. > > Does there happen to be anyone who can read Swedish and is familiar with > cohousing that would be willing to help me? I dont expect a full > translation or anything - sort of a summary and answers to a few > questions would be very helpful. I'm particularly interested > cohousing in urban settings for example. > > This seems a good starting point (as well as the links from > the www.cohousing.org Communities page. > > http://hem.passagen.se/jochem/Links.htm > > Fred > > -- > Fred H. Olson fholson [at] cohousing.org Minneapolis,MN 55411 > (612)588-9532 Amateur radio: WB0YQM List manager of: > Cohousing-L See http://www.cohousing.org and Nbhd-tc -- Twin > Cities Neighborhood issues list. See http://freenet.msp.mn.us > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:44:08 -0700 > From: Rowena Conkling <rowenac [at] worldnet.att.net> > To: sharonvillines [at] prodigy.net > Subject: Re: Playgrounds > Message-ID: <37418AC7.42A9FF67 [at] worldnet.att.net> > > Of course, we are an urban cohousing community but one of the best features > for kids is the paved "spine" that runs from one end of the lot to the other, > right through the common house. It is used by a toddlers to middle school > kids for triking, biking, skate-boarding and in-line skating. Because it is > overlooked by so many people parents can allow fairly young children to use it > freely - unlike a street. We do have a small toddler area at one end which > includes a climbing structure and sandbox (covered) and have a larger play > structure in boxes awaiting erection at the other end. but our "Pretty Good > Lawn" outside the dining area is a hive of activity - frisbees, kick ball, you > name it. Again it is visible to many eyes. And there are a couple of > basketball nets - the college age kids are terrific about playing with the > little folk. And a favorite activity of the smaller people is racing around > the granite block wall surrounding the veggie garden! In hot weather they > tend to hang out on a shady grassy area with a hose. > > We are lucky that we have a small park with quite eleborate play structures a > block or two away in one direction and a very large park with soccer fields, > baseball diamonds, etc. a block or two in the other direction. And tennis > courts and a backboard just down the street. But, as I say, we are an urban > project. > > RowenaC at CambridgeCoho > > Sharon Villines wrote: > > > Our site plan calls for a tot lot and a playground for larger children. We > > would like to have safe and environmentally friendly equipment. Any > > recommendations of a manufacturer? > > > > What kinds of equipment have you found useful? > > > > What was a waste of time and money? > > > > Sharon Villines > > Synergy Cohousing, Delray Beach, FL > > http://www.cohousing.net > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:01:16 -0400 > From: "S. Fradenburgh & J. Taylor" <safjst [at] mindspring.com> > To: cohousing-l [at] freedom.mtn.org > Subject: Private vs Community Issues (Abuse, Alcoholism, etc.) > Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990529210116.0069fd28 [at] pop.mindspring.com> > > At Lake Claire Cohousing in Atlanta we are starting to have discussions of > when serious issues, such as abuse or alcoholism, are private family > matters and when they are community issues, possibly calling for > intervention by the cohousing community. Ideally, we'd like to have some > guidelines in place as to where to draw the line before we have an actual > situation to deal with. Of course, we've dealt with the privacy vs > community question numerous times in the 2+ years since move-in, but it's > always been about less serious issues. > > So we'd like to know whether any other cohousing communities have drawn up > guidelines, or had discussions about this issue, or had a real live > situation to deal with. What was your process? Did you reach consensus on > guidelines? Would you be willing to share them? Did they help or not in > facing a real situation? > > Has there been previous discussion on the cohousing list? I didn't find > anything in a quick search of the archives, but someone might be able to > point me to a specific time period. > > Thanks, > Shari Fradenburgh > > ******************************** > Shari Fradenburgh and Joe Taylor > Lake Claire Cohousing > Atlanta, GA > > safjst [at] mindspring.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:06:17 -0400 (EDT) > From: Alex Aminoff <alex [at] sylvia.harvard.edu> > To: cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org > Subject: looking for built or nearly built cohousing elsewhere > Message-ID: <199905302006.QAA23503 [at] sylvia.harvard.edu> > > Dear Cohousers, > > We would like to live in cohousing somewhere in the United States. Can > you please help us narrow down the possibilities? > > We recently had to withdraw from membership after two years of > hearbreaking labor on Cornerstone Village cohousing in Cambridge, > MA. Several people on this list have suggested that the thing to do if > you cannot make cohousing work where you are is to move to an area > where cohousing is already successful. > > We are looking for a 3-bedroom unit, preferably a townhouse or duplex > rather than an apartment, in a cohousing community that is either up > and running or pretty far along. We would prefer not to have to > commute to our jobs by car. We are very interested in some sort of > shared childcare in the community (we don't have children yet but > would like to soon). We prefer an area (but not necessarily a > cohousing community) with a high density of technology people and > technology jobs. > > Please suggest cohousing communities to us that might fit these > criteria. We have looked through all the listings, but it is often > hard to glean some of the details we are interested in from TCN's > units available listings and groups' web sites. > > Thank you for your help and advice, > - Alex & Jenise Aminoff > > ------------------------------ > > End of COHOUSING-L Digest 42 > ****************************
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