Re: Coho common houses built to public-building standards | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Lynn Nadeau (welcome![]() |
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:54:01 -0700 (MST) |
At RoseWind, in Washington State. In this state, anyway, the construction is classified as a certain type of building, among the possibilities for non-residences. These have different code requirements. Thus, a school or a movie theater has different requirements from a church parish hall. We were classified like the latter, an A-5, being the most general class of "assembly" place. Within that designation, we still had to negotiate with the building department about two issues. First, they started out telling us that our 2800 sq ft building would require FOUR bathrooms, clearly more than common sense dictated, and an unnecessary use of space and money. We argued them back to two. The variable was what the various spaces in the common house were called. For some reason, having our Exercise Room become a Recreation Room made a difference. I forget what else, but probably the classification of our entry hall and pantry space was also debatable. We also were being asked to provide floors that supported a large amount of weight per square foot, with a lot higher cost. Since we were not planning on training elephants, we talked them down to a compromise. Lesson: if confronted with requirements that seem unreasonable, it may pay to persist in uncovering if there are ways to classify things which are still true, but don't kick in the same requirements. Truth is another factor. I saw CH building plans for another community which clearly involved subterfuge. In the interests of not being called a public building, they had labelled their kitchen a "warming kitchen for potlucks" and their kid play room a "meditation room", for example. In our community, ethics aside, we are so much in the public eye that we could never get away with less than frank descriptions of proposed uses. Summary of what was different from residential code: Some of this was explained to us by building dept some by fire dept. ADA building entrances, internal doorways and bathrooms. Designated parking space, and signage for same, as well as signage for ramp to entry. Emergency floodlight device for power outage (as might occur in a fire). We got a fairly compact $60 exit sign that included this. Exit sign over another exit, but not needing internal or outage lighting. 20 ft wide area from dining room exit onto patio, supposed to be free of obstacles in case a large crowd needed to spill outside in a panic. We will design our patio with this in mind, but will not necessarily have a 20 ft wide clear pathway all the way to the somewhat distant street. Braille rest room signs, in certain placements next to bathroom doors. Stronger floors. Fire extinguishers of specified types, in three locations. Panic hardware on all the exit doors (push bar). We forgot to have it so they have the same key as the front door. Best to choose a panic bar that has a lock which can be independently changed (we didn't know that). Locksmith tells us cheap panic door locks often malfunction fairly soon. Interestingly, they not only required no sprinkler system, but required no smoke alarms. No Smoking signs in several places. A sign on the front door that said something like "This door must be unlocked during normal business hours" (which we take to mean When the building is in use). I think that's it. I was concerned that we'd end up looking overly institutional with grab bars and exit signs and all, but there is so much that's NOT institutional, that it works out fine. We have had a number of visitors to our common house who use walkers or wheelchairs, and they have had no problems with entries and bathrooms. Things that are not entirely accessible to a person in a wheelchair, still: Kitchen appliances, though the stove top has knobs at the front. Spray table and counter-level dishwasher, back burners, and upper convection oven racks, sinks, are not wheelchair accessible in the kitchen. Neither is the sink in the kid room. The north entry to the dining room from outside, which has a shallow step up from the surrounding lawn (the terrain makes it unlikely that a mobility impaired person would choose this entry anyway). The south dining room door fronts on a concrete patio and is thus accessible. The main entry to the building, which also leads to the dining room, is also entirely accessible, with approach ramp from handicapped parking space. Pathways between our homes, and between our homes and the common house, due to the considerable slope of some of our land. To get from some areas to the common house, one would need to drive around the block, if one could not handle a hill. There seems to be no way to avoid that. Some of our individual houses are "visitable" and others are not. Some things we did for safety or accessibility which were not explicitly required - an extra set of power outage floodlights, in the front hall as well as the dining room. Railings on our low front porch and the ramp leading to it. We have improved the pathways across the flatter areas, such as the grassy main field, to make them smoother for those who are unsteady on their feet. We are also working to make all our pathways easier to see in the dark, though we do not want lights. We have a lowered section to the kitchen's butcher-block prep island, so as to be convenient for a short or seated person. We boosted lighting in some areas of the CH, since some members have vision concerns. We installed acoustic mitigations, which can help those who have hearing concerns. One bathroom has a height-extender for the toilet seat available, and both bathrooms have step stools for children. We have stored cleaning supplies and other child hazards out of reach, or used safety latches. PS I just got back from a 3-week absence and it is so good to be home. New additions to the landscaping, finishing touches here and there in the common house, progress on some Issues, and an invitation to lunch, which made up for my empty larder. And tonight is a community supper - what an easy transition! Lynn Nadeau, RoseWind Cohousing Port Townsend Washington (Victorian seaport, music, art, nature) http://www.rosewind.org http://www.ptguide.com _______________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list Cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org Unsubscribe and other info: http://www.communityforum.net/mailman/listinfo/cohousing-l
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