Coops and cohousing | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Fred H Olson (fholson![]() |
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:18:12 -0600 (MDT) |
On Apri 16, Rob Sandelin <floriferous [at] msn.com> wrote a message "Why coops are scary to some folks (like banks)" see: http://csf.Colorado.EDU/cohousing/2003/msg00859.html Tho coops are not as well accepted by funders as would be desireable in this country, Rob's message seemed more discouraging than I expected. Given Rob's authoritative reputation, I decided to do a little checking with my coop contacts. I sent a copy of Rob's message to Warren Kramer of the Northcountry Cooperative Development Fund <warren [at] ncdf.org> and later spoke to him on the phone. Joelyn Malone's reply on this topic ( see: http://csf.Colorado.EDU/cohousing/2003/msg00856.html ) refers to NCDF which provided some funding for Monterey Cohousing. Among other things Warren said 8 units would be a rather small coop and NCDF usually funds larger coops. I also got the reply below from Margaret Lund, Executive Director Northcountry Cooperative Development Fund 219 Main Street SE, Suite 500 Minneapolis,MN 55414 Phone (612)331-9103 Fax (612)331-9145 margaret [at] ncdf.coop http://www.ncdf.coop Margaret wrote: We do a lot of lending to housing co-ops (including one cohousing project). I cannot speak to the market in Oregon because we don't lend there, but I have never heard of us or any other lender [assuming] a 20% vacancy rate for co-ops. In fact some HUD senior co-op programs don't require any vacancy reserve at all only IF a project is a co-op as opposed to a rental deal, so the co-op gets a better deal not a worse one. I also have never heard of any co-op requiring members to put up multiple months of assessments in advance when they move it, and we have worked with a lot of different co-ops. Typically, the lease between the co-op and the member would require that any back payments due to the co-op would be paid before the unit could be transferred to a new owner, so the other co-op members would never be stuck paying any one else's share. It seems to me that the big advantage to cohousing of using a cooperative ownership structure is that with co-ops, the co-op gets to approve any new buyer before a unit is sold. They can't discriminate on any illegal criteria of course, but they can create a screen to make sure that any new owner is really interested in being a member of the community. With condos, any person can sell their unit to any other person they want to and the rest of the community members can't stop them. They can also rent it out to someone who is not necessarily interested in the cohouisng community (or in the worst case, someone who is detrimental to it) and the other folks can do nothing. In a co-op, the members can limit rentals and limit resales to folks who are really there for the cohousing experience. It seems to me that would really help build a stronger community. It is also, for various reasons, much easier to do a mixed-income project with a co-op as opposed to a condo. I know many cohousing groups struggle with this issue, and co-ops are one tool they can use to address it. There are other advantages as well (it is much cheaper and easier to change units in a co-op, transaction costs for sales are much lower etc.) So I would encourage your list members to be open-minded about this issue. Co-ops are not a typical structure in most parts of the country so they can be difficult to finance, but we do them here in the Midwest and I think there are other sympathetic lenders elsewhere who would do them as well. One good place to look for non-traditional lenders in the National Community Capital Association. Their website is http://communitycapital.org. -- end quoted message -- I also hope cohousing organizers will be openminded about coop structure. I think it is a natural fit for cohousing. Fred -- Fred H. Olson Minneapolis,MN 55411 (near north Mpls) fholson [at] cohousing.org 612-588-9532 (7am-10pm Cent time) List manager of Cohousing-L & Nbhd-tc Ham radio:WB0YQM http://www.cohousing.org/fholson _______________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list Cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org Unsubscribe and other info: http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L
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Coops and cohousing Fred H Olson, April 20 2003
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Re: Coops and cohousing Sharon Villines, April 20 2003
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Resale provisions Rob Sandelin, April 20 2003
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Resale provisions Rob Sandelin, April 20 2003
- RE: Coops and cohousing Rob Sandelin, April 20 2003
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Re: Coops and cohousing Sharon Villines, April 20 2003
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