Re: Formal Consensus vs Sociocracy | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Casey Morrigan (cjmorr![]() |
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:06:39 -0700 (PDT) |
It hasn't been my experience that the sword of voting hangs over our community's head, though we do have a backup voting process and we used it once. I'm sure we are highly imperfect in our communications, but we do put lots of good faith effort into paying attention to one another. It also seems to me like very few of us contrarians ever have a problem expressing an opinion or an objection. On the other hand, many of us have gotten exhausted trying to bring projects to completion because there is only so much processing that one can do when one has additional priorities, such as raising families, working, trying to enjoy the community's company unpressed by decisions, cooking great community meals, and so forth. My own personal goal in community decisionmaking is to bring joy and energy to the group, rather than wearing them down in the decisionmaking process. C. Morrigan Two Acre Wood Sebastopol, CA -----Original Message----- From: Brian Bartholomew [mailto:bb [at] stat.ufl.edu] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:47 PM To: Cohousing-L Subject: Re: [C-L]_ Formal Consensus vs Sociocracy Way back on 28 Mar 2002, Rob Sandelin wrote*: > There is also a very important function of having a backup. It makes > people more cooperative. If I know that I can't stop the group just by > blocking consensus, and that they will outvote me at a future meeting, > then even the most uncooperative person is likely to make some moves > towards compromise, because they know they will simply get outvoted a > couple meetings down the road. Tree repeated a shorter statement of the same idea in a Feb 2007 Cohousing magazine article on inappropriate blocks. To me, this sounds like 'majority rule with brainstorming'. The sword of voting is hanging over everyone's heads all of the time. How many objections are unvoiced, which consent is not gained, because minorities figure it's not even worth a try? Abilene paradox? I will make a wild and crazy prediction: Remove the possibility of voting as far as you can; try to make it impossible to initiate from inside. Perhaps you'll do it only if a bank or a court requires it. Otherwise, blocks stand until somebody changes their mind. Perhaps after an initial burst, there are no ongoing rounds of meetings to wear people down. Then allow any decision to be revisited. I predict there will be substantial, surprising changes in your group decisions. Are you still sure you haven't voted? Brian * http://lists.cohousing.org/archives/cohousing-l/msg15352.html _________________________________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/
- Re: Formal Consensus vs Sociocracy, (continued)
- Re: Formal Consensus vs Sociocracy Tree Bressen, April 5 2007
- Re: Formal Consensus vs Sociocracy Racheli Gai, April 6 2007
- Re: Formal Consensus vs Sociocracy eileen mccourt, April 9 2007
- Re: Formal Consensus vs Sociocracy Brian Bartholomew, April 13 2007
- Re: Formal Consensus vs Sociocracy Casey Morrigan, April 13 2007
- Re: principle vs preference / Formal Consensus Ann Zabaldo, March 29 2007
- Re: Objections in Consensus [was: principle vs preference / Formal Consensus Tree Bressen, April 5 2007
- Re: Objections in Consensus [was: principle vs preference / Formal Consensus Sharon Villines, April 6 2007
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