Re: What are communities doing now that we arehittingdifficult financial times? | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Kay Argyle (kay.argyle![]() |
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:39:46 -0800 (PST) |
"I wonder if there might not be some tax advantages to leaving unpaid HOA fees on the books as opposed to forgiving them? I know it is so for businesses so they can claim the losses." If I understand the matter correctly, HOA fees are usually not taxed, so there's nothing to claim a loss against. Our management committee recently met with our accountant (which is relevant to another thread, about why to have a local accountant -- being able to sit down and ask questions for an hour upended some long-standing misconceptions about our finances). Disclaimer -- I don't understand bookkeeping, let alone accounting. This is based on my shaky grasp of what we were told and doesn't constitute 'advice'. At best it will provide a starting point to ask more intelligent questions of your own financial advisors. Our common areas are owned by the condo association (an LLC), which is itself owned by the home-owners. Therefore, assessments paid by home owners to the association are still owned, at a remove, by the home owners. Call this 'exempt' HOA income. Investment income (interest, dividends, capital gains) and special fees such as facilities rental, laundry fees, etc., charged for considerations not equally available to all residents, constitute a second type of HOA income. Call this 'nonexempt.' An HOA has a choice -- pay 30 pct taxes on nonexempt income, or pay 15 pct on both exempt and nonexempt. Typically nonexempt income will be enough lower than exempt that paying the higher tax rate on just that portion is cost-effective. Clustering capital expenditures into the same year increases the chance of hitting the tipping point at which net exempt income (assessments minus capital expenses) is lower than nonexempt, justifying a switch to the lower tax rate. Unpaid HOA fees would be relevant to taxes only in such low net income years (I think -- see above disclaimer). One result of our new understanding is that in our upcoming annual budget we will be recommending that laundry fees be discontinued, and laundry maintenance and replacement be funded from assessments. Given taxes and bookkeeping, the financial advantages of charging a laundry fee are less than they first appear. The laundry fee was always on shaky ground philosophically. One point of cohousing is to encourage resource sharing -- two energy-efficient water-thrifty sturdy commercial frontloaders compared to twenty-six toploaders. While some residents use the laundry more than others, that's true of all community resources; it's just that loads of wash are more easily quantified than use of (say) the kids room. (There's a capitalist tendency, to which cohousing is not immune, that, if you can quantify any part of something, you can attach a price to it; and if you can attach a price to it, you SHOULD attach a price to it.) Kay Wasatch Commons
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