Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: FIRST POST Questions and sort of statement

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Hi JK:

Thanks for your observations. I appreciate your analysis very much; we are 

in the very early stages and your comments as an experienced co-housing 

individual will help us a lot in avoiding serious pitfalls. We want to gain 

a better understanding of what co-housing is all about, and we certainly 

want to avoid dogmatism or catty language. What are the characteristics of a 

non-dogmatic community. Which co-housing communities have been the most 

successful and have lasted the longest--and why? I too, would like to hear 

from others and yourself, as much as you would care to share.

WT

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From: "James Kacki" <jimkacki [at] mts.net>

To: "Cohousing-L" <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [C-L]_ FIRST POST Questions and sort of statement

Hi WT,
All the seven principles are obviously based on a lot of thought and
a commitment to doing the right thing for the planet and  for your
community.  However, honestly,  the tone of the way the 'principles'
are worded makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.  The tone
seems dogmatic in the extreme.   I can imagine the person who wrote
those words getting really angry about anyone in the community who
deviated in their lifestyle or actions from the writers intentions.
I personally would stay far away from a community that had such a
dogmatic set of principles, worded that way.  Each one of us is
different and 'community' is by its nature made up of people with
different attitudes and ideas.  Of course, there has to be some
common bond or understanding by all the individuals in order to make
the community thrive, but my advice would be to keep your intent, but
relax a little in the framing of the  statement of principles.
Just one persons opinion.  I'd be interested to hear what others think.
James

On 1-Sep-10, at 1:16 PM, Gerald Manata wrote:

A lot of this stuff sounds good, but I  question number 7. Are you
talking about
anarchy here? How can that work? You are building what will be a legal
condominium. You will be legally required to have a huge amount of
rules in your
CC&R's.

________________________________
From: Wayne Tyson <landrest [at] cox.net>
To: Cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 4:08:38 PM
Subject: [C-L]_ FIRST POST Questions and sort of statement

Honorable Forum:

I am and long have been interested in the subject of co-housing and
related
matters, and have read "all" the informational material I could
"find."

I am especially interested in building upon the ideas and
experience of others,
and will always welcome all kinds of responses to my questions and
ideas.

At present, I am investigating the possibility of developing a
variation on the
themes I have investigated, both theoretically and actually. We
plan to
investigate Oregon for possible sites in early September, 2010. We
expect our
"project" to be rural, but near towns and cities; we expect that it
will take
years, if not generations, for the transistional process to occur.

I would appreciate any tips regarding legal procedures (zoning,
changes,
building codes, requirements for establishing a town) and obstacles
(how to
overcome them or the feasibility of overcoming them).

Here is a brief description of the something of the sort of
alternative
community we are exploring.

1. Facilitating trends toward reconciling the needs and works of
humankind with
those of the earth and its life.

2. Diversity and integration of skills, personalities and lives.

3. Concept of "frugal luxury" and adequacy in all aspects of
fulfilling life
potential--an alternative to both poverty and greed.

4. Trends away from egocentrism as a presumed normal function of
cooperation
rather than intentional displacement-competition.

5. Leaving the land and its life alone as much as possible,
integrating with
nature, in the sense of staying within the energy/nutrient cycle as
much as
possible, but without pressure for rapid change--gradual transitional
transformation, but complete tolerance of all versions and degrees
and rates of
such a process without active peer pressure or other coercion.

6. Innovative, original, efficient ways of providing sustenance and
comfort such
as through highly functional, economical architecture rather than
aesthetic
style.

7. No rules, and no rules about no rules. Deception and other
manipulation
simply will not work because of the nature of the citizens.
Dominance is not
concentrated, but shifts according to context.

These are thoughts quite open for discussion, and we welcome other
thoughts and
discussion on the implied specifics. Each of these "topics"
probably have an
infinite number of subsets, and we welcome all kinds of comments
and suggestions
as we cycle through our learning/understanding process.

Thank you for your responses and for allowing me to participate.
Specific
suggestions about modifications to this brief list are especially
welcome.

WT
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Re: FIRST POST Questions and sort of statement	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Wayne Tyson (landrestcox.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:29:26 -0700 (PDT)