Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: Steve Welzer's Challenge to the cohousing 'system'

[Kathleen Lowry (kathleenlowrylpcclmft]

Sorry meant to send to Katie. Fred, please feel free to resend for me.
Again, I'm sorry! Kathleen
Kathleen Lowry
MA, LPCC, LMFT
952-270-1654
kathl <kathleenlowryLPCCLMFT [at] gmail.com>eenlowryLPCCLMFT [at] gmail.com
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On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 2:55 PM Kathleen Lowry <
kathleenlowrylpcclmft [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> Katie!  Hi.  I would love to do your workshop, but am thinking you'll have
> people who can contribute a lot more to the movement than I could when
> done.  My role would be the social design part.  I'm curious to know if I
> get a certificate in research/survey design if that would up my ability to
> make a solid contribution.  I think I'll apply, understanding the
> situation.
> Kathleen Lowry
> MA, LPCC, LMFT
> 952-270-1654
> kathl <kathleenlowryLPCCLMFT [at] gmail.com>eenlowryLPCCLMFT [at] gmail.com
> <kathleenlowryLPCCLMFT [at] gmail.com>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 11:25 AM Kathryn McCamant <
> kmccamant [at] cohousing-solutions.com> wrote:
>
>> This is exactly why I created my 500 Communities Program (see
>> https://www.cohousing-solutions.com/about-the-program)  to train more
>> professionals to work in this space: developers, project managers,
>> marketing and process professionals. The next webinar about the program is
>> April 6th, more information on my website.
>>
>> To the best of my knowledge, there are currently no developers initiating
>> communities in the way Jim Leach or I did (Doyle St, Nevada City, Wolf
>> Creek Lodge), nor (and especially) putting in their own money. So all new
>> projects that have successfully launched are by people who fronted their
>> own funds to find land and pay for all the development costs until they
>> could get to a construction loan…. And yes, that is a big lift!
>>
>> Housing, generally, got more expensive and difficult to build after the
>> 2008 recession, and thus so has cohousing.
>>
>> I am a big believer in the buyers group/professional developer
>> partnership but to date, most developers feel they can’t make enough money
>> doing cohousing to make it worth it. I think they can if they discipline
>> the process and I can show people how to do that.
>>
>> Re community involvement:  Neither the developers nor the banks believe
>> that cohousing buyers will be there at the end to buy if they don’t have
>> money on the line…ie skin in the game.  Just imagine a year like the last
>> when we suffered a doubling plus of interest rates. That said, I think
>> there is a hybrid approach that combines real commitment and involvement
>> from buyers while the real estate project is led by professionals. The real
>> community comes from the social design, supported by the physical design.
>> But you won’t get the depth of community we have come to expect in
>> cohousing without real attention to the social design.  You can learn how
>> with my 500 Communities Program.
>>
>> Katie
>> --
>> Kathryn McCamant, President
>> CoHousing Solutions
>> Nevada City, CA 95959
>> T.530.478.1970  C.916.798.4755
>> www.cohousing-solutions.com
>>
>>
>>
>> From: cohousing-l <cohousing-l-bounces+kmccamant=
>> cohousing-solutions.com [at] cohousing.org> on behalf of Sophie Rubin <
>> yophiest [at] gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Cohousing-L <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>
>> Date: Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:08 AM
>> To: Cohousing-L <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>
>> Subject: Re: [C-L]_ Steve Welzer's Challenge to the cohousing 'system'
>>
>> Helping create a slew of Wonderland Hill's seems like a path for reaching
>> what Steve thinks is a huge market.  And how do we check that statement;
>> or
>> rather prove it to developers?
>>
>> I’m a developer (nonprofit/government) who has been aware of cohousing for
>> over a decade and am planning/hoping to move into cohousing with my
>> partner
>> soon. I’ve recently joined the listserve and I’m following this discussion
>> closely.
>>
>> Please let me know who I should reach out to who has experience working
>> with professional developers and/or project managers.
>>
>> What I will be trying to figure out is exactly what data is necessary to
>> determine real market demand and what banks/investors need to feel secure
>> in backing this type of development project.
>>
>> Advice and opinions welcome!
>>
>> Sophie
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