RE: Concerning Consensus and established CoHo communities | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Alexander Robin A (alexande.robiuwlax.edu) | |
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:32:26 -0800 (PST) |
This is a very sad tale. It sounds like the community has disintegrated at this point and some emergency healing work needs to be done. If I were facing this, I would make rebuilding a sense of community the highest priority. I would also expect that outside skilled facilitation help would be needed. I'm sure no one is enjoying how it's going now, so it might not be too hard to get buy-in to work on community first and then deal with the specific issues. Trust has broken down and that has to be rebuilt for progress to happen on the practical issues. There are many people who could help. One approach that I'm familiar with is Scott Peck's community building model. Facilitators skilled in that approach can be found at: http://communityx-roads.org/ Best of luck, Robin Alexander Eno Commons ________________________________ From: normangauss [at] charter.net [mailto:normangauss [at] charter.net] Sent: Fri 3/11/2005 8:05 PM To: Cohousing-L Subject: Re: [C-L]_ Concerning Consensus and established CoHo communities Here at Oak Creek Commons on the Central California Coast, we are battling individual desires vs. community desires. The first residents moved here about a year ago and others moved in over the course of the following 6 months. There are no consensed accepted goals. We consensed on one or two loosely worded "agreements", but the newcomers do not accept these because they were not here when these were consensed. Also, there is little interest in reviving these topics. Some residents were promised a kids playground, but the one on the plans was considered inadequate. There is no kids playground to this date (although one is in the planning stages) causing great unhappiness on the part of residents with small children. Other residents were promised a dog park and there is none to this date, although a proposal is scheduled to be decided upon soon. There was a vegetable garden on the original plans but this is now history because of the demands of the playground people who were somehow able to overrule the veggie garden people. As a result there remains resentment and frustration because of promises made and never delivered on. Because of the stalemate on community goals, there is now a concerted effort on the part of certain members to achieve their personal goals. Ours is a condominium legal structure with no privately held land. Nevertheless we have had people arbitrarily build fences around certain plots of common area ground and declare the land as theirs. All of these people have dogs and needed a place to keep their dogs when they moved in. There was no agreement on what size space was acceptable to the community. Some have tiny spaces and others have huge ones, and there is community resentment about this landgrab that has been compared to the Great Oklahoma Land Rush of 1889. We have had people dig up community planted trees near their condos without seeking permission by consensus. Another resident built a wooden cover over the automatic sprinkler valves serving her triplex building without asking permission first. Another, without permission from the community, has decided to dig out our originally-planted tree and put in a water-loving tree in our drought-tolerant landscape. I would guess that until we decide on some goals, we will not be able to have a sociocracy. I doubt that, with the current state of animosity and resentments that have built up over the way promises were made and not kept, and the way people feel pressured to "go with the crowd", even though we may reach consensus, our business meetings are poorly attended, and decisions will be made without the whole community's input. If we cannot arrive at some goals to strive for, we will continue to argue over who's goals are we are striving for, and whether those goals conflict with the community's goals, which remain undefined. Norm Gauss Oak Creek Commons Paso Robles, CA 93446 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Sandelin" <floriferous [at] msn.com> To: <saille [at] swngrrl.com>; "'Cohousing-L'" <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:36 AM Subject: RE: [C-L]_ Concerning Consensus and established CoHo communities > Hi Saille, > > For most of the 1990's I was a group process consultant and I did group > decision making and facilitation workshops at dozens of communities of all > kinds, including about 25 or so cohousing groups. I regularly wrote about > consensus and group process for Communities magazine and the now defunct > cohousing journal. There are lots of types of communities, many do not use > consensus since they are authoritarian based, e.g. many religious > communities do not use consensus process. In my travels and visits with > over 150 communities, I watched, learned, and did some teaching about > process. What I learned was that the most effective communities, cohousing > or otherwise, use a variety of decision making approaches. > > For example my own community of Sharingwood uses consensus for some things, > voting for others, autocratic decisions for others (autocratic means one > person decides). These things blend together naturally based on many years > of living together, although sometimes we still trip up on some things. > > Consensus does NOT work well for some groups, and they hurt themselves by > trying to force it when it obviously can not work. Much of my consulting > work with communities was going in and pointing out their problems, offering > methods and ideas for solutions. In a few cases I recommended that they stop > using consensus because it could not work in their current environment. For > example, Greenpeach international was taken over by a socialist group for > awhile, the group simply blocked all proposals, stopping the organization. > In this case, consensus could not work because the members of that subgroup > did not support the organizations mission, nor did they care at all about > the social connections of the group. In this case, the organization changed > to voting, the hostile group was no longer able to hold the organizations > decision making hostage, and thus left the group. I have also seen similar > things with individuals holding up consensus groups by inappropriately > blocking all business. A simple voting over ride on consensus failure fixes > this. For example, after 3 tries at a consensus a proposal is automatically > put to a 3/4th majority vote. > > I have written a bit on my teachings of Consensus, you can find it on the > web at: > > http://www.ic.org/nica/Process/Consensusbasics.htm > http://www.ic.org/nica/book/cover.htm > > > Good luck on your community endeavors, > > Rob Sandelin > Sharingwood Cohousing > Snohomish WA 98296 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Saille Warner Norton [mailto:saille [at] swngrrl.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:08 PM > To: Cohousing-L [at] cohousing.org > Subject: [C-L]_ Concerning Consensus and established CoHo communities > > Hello, > > > > I am looking for information concerning consensus practices in established > CoHo groups. If anyone can provide information, I'd be very grateful. > > > > 1. Are there any established communities who do NOT use consensus? > 2. Are there any long established communities (10+ years), using > consensus, who are now "dying" because of using CP? > > > > > > I had another questions, but I've forgotten it now. Again, thanks for any > info you may have. I'm a big supporter of CP, but have a few folks in our > developing group who seem to have a negative view of consensus. > > > > Saille > > > > When a man moves from nature, his heart becomes hard. > > - Lakota Proverb > > > > In dwelling, live close to the ground. In thinking, keep to the simple. In > conflict, be fair and generous. In governing, don't try to control. In work, > do what you enjoy. In family life, be completely present. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/
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