Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: 4 P's, accessibility (was Sample Rules, Regs)

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Mary Huang <maryhuanggd [at] gmail.com>
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Hi Debbie,

Accessibility or universal design is not yet a core policy for Concorde
Cohousing in Ottawa (Canada) but I hope it would be.

Having gone through the process with Mom and Dad, I think accessibility (or
universal design) is very important for aging in place.   Also I fractured
my foot last year and I had issues with half a flight of stairs for about 2
months. It is more expensive, especially the 1-2 elevators, to pay for up
front but they are a fraction of what you would need to pay for retrofit
afterwards.   We have someone in wheelchair in our group currently and we
would really like to be inclusive.

I have been on a few green house project webinars and the model seems to be
interesting.  Have not looked at the Eden Alternative other than
superficially but it seems to be a person centric model too.  I paid to
visit Hogeweyk (Dutch Alzheimer Village) and absolutely love it.  6 to 7
people coliving in a household with staff with a restaurant, a pub, lots of
common rooms and areas for activities and even a market / grocery store and
theatre.

This is the facebook post I wrote back in Oct 2018
https://www.facebook.com/mary.huang.167/posts/10156834467050956

Mary




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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 10:37:53 -0700
> From: Debbie Behrens <dlbehrens893 [at] gmail.com>
> To: Cohousing-L <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>
> Subject: [C-L]_ 4 P's, accessibility (was Sample Rules, Regs)
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> Dave -
>
> Your group has forgotten 2 very important P's
> PARKING and PARTICIPATION
> At Highline Crossing, we had the original 3 Ps: Pets, Parking and
> Participation. I?m sure they?ve added Pistols in recent years. (Progeny
> wasn?t a ?P? for us cuz we loved having kids in the co-hood - even us
> grouchy singles did IMO) They probably still have their Ps, but I can?t
> speak for them any more as I moved out 4 years ago after 22 years.
>
> And other topics ?
>
> Unfortunately accessibility (can?t think of a ?P? word for it) wasn?t a
> core value in the building designs for all of most of the units there
> (including mine).  I think we had maybe 2 of the 40 units which were
> actually ?relatively' accessible to wheelchairs.  Even our common house had
> issues. (Yeah, it was a $$ and slow sales problem at the time, 1995)  I?m
> not in a wheelchair, but I do now prefer elevators to stairs, whenever
> possible. My knees are not young any more.
>
> I know accessibility?s not an absolute core value in most Cohousing
> communities. (Too $$$$) I see way too many communities with lots of stairs
> and multi level units.  Course they have lots of stairs in the Danish
> communities too. DK99!!   It?s cheaper in the short run, but hurts in the
> long run, for those people who don?t really want to move out.  BUT, people
> moving out does bring new blood in, with new enthusiasm, which I?ve always
> been in favor of.  ;-)
>
> I really do like Cohousing's community values tho, still follow Cohousing,
> and visit new and old communities when I can. (BTW, I gave Karin Hoskin all
> my old photos, in case any of you old timers want to see any old pix:
> communities, conferences, etc)
>
> I?m also learning about the Green House Project, which seems to be very
> small cohousy-ish nursing homes (thegreenhouseproject.org <
> http://thegreenhouseproject.org/>). But they?re as rare at this time as
> Cohousing was 25 years ago.
> Maybe some Cohousing builders would like to branch out into this area (tho
> the codes are different)
>
> Best wishes to all, for a return to PHYSICAL NON-distancing.  ;-)))
> Debbie Behrens, Aurora CO
> Ex-cohouser, feeling very chatty and missing visiting Cohousing.
>
> PS: Fred - I did cut out all the other emails in the thread - just for
> YOU    ;-)
> PPS: Ann Z - I?m making up words just for YOU    ;-)
>
>
> > On Mar 1, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Fred-List manager <fholson [at] cohousing.org>
> wrote:
> > David Heimann <heimann [at] theworld.com> is the author of the message
> below.
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> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> >       As against havint (or not having) discussions and decisions on
> > specific policies beforehand, a good approach is to agree on a set of
> > core values or vision, and use those to develop the policies (ours at a
> > https://sites.google.com/site/jpcohousinginternet/our-vision-statement).
> >
> >       Of course, it can help making the values statement appropriate
> > and useful to use them to develop a number of policies during
> > development and see what general discussion issues seem to come up.
> > I've heard that a useful set of policy discussions about the ones about
> > the "four P's" -- progeny, pistols, pets, and pennies!
> >
> > Regards,
> > David Heimann
> > Jamaica Plain Cohousing
>
>
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> Dear Ann, I find your posts so useful, and super helpful.  And yet, I find
> the use of the truly regretful meme of "social distancing" extremely
> depressing to see coming from a group that specifically has the intention
> of social connecting.
>
> I have lived through all this alone so far, and I can say as both an ex
> English teacher, and a seeker of community, that it is just demoralizing to
> see this meme used in nearly every single covid protocol item in your
> community.
>
> Words are super important to the legacy we support and leave behind.  All
> the children who learn this meme, and not likely question it, and will
> become very different adults than the adults we experience now.  I don't
> want to write a long diatribe about this again.  But it will continue to
> bite us all in the butt, mark my words.
>
> And no, it is not accurate to ask people to "socially" distance.  Social
> distance is very likely to be heard and misperceived as shunning of
> others.  Which is also why those rules can be interpreted as people like,
> and will.  And why you needed to clarify at least in one instance that it
> means 6 feet.
>
> This is a meme that merits intense scrutiny, especially by those of us here
> who care so much about the social fabric.  I hope people here will
> reconsider the possible harm of unquestioningly and repeatedly using this
> "social distancing" meme in community.
>
> Thank you for reading, and I hope you take this in the spirit it is meant,
> a spirit of deep care and concern.  And yes, "physical distancing"  can be
> used to refer to living beings.  Just like physical education, for
> example.  Besides, we collectively have much more creativity to come up
> with alternatives to "social distancing".
>
> with deep concern,
> melanie
> seeker
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 17:51:33 -0800
> From: Karen Gimnig <gimnig [at] gmail.com>
> To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
> Subject: [C-L]_ Pledge Budgets
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> I'm wondering if there are any communities that are using a pledge budget
> or similar concept that would be willing to share your experience with a
> new community considering their options.
>
> In Community,
> Karen Gimnig
> Professional Facilitator
> 678-705-9007
> www.karengimnig.net
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