|Re: Contents of Cohousing-L Digest, Vol 208, Issue 14||<– Date –> <– Thread –>|
|From: Mary Huang (maryhuanggdgmail.com)|
|Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 04:31:54 -0700 (PDT)|
Hi Janey, I am part of Concorde Cohousing in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. How many units do you intend to build? what style of housing? There was a group of 10 cohousing groups that jumped on Victoria Urban cohousing outreach event cohousing affordability and we had a breakout room (vs another for the people interested to join VUV) to talk a bit about how to keep cohousing projects cost more moderate and some discussion of a few communities that attempted to do below market rate units. I also exchanged emails with a number of cohousing groups in April and had some very interesting discussions. Some and other groups were at the Canadian Cohousing Network AGM that afternoon. One of the advice I was given was to create as many multipurpose rooms as possible and to keep the shared space under 2500-3000 sq. feet. Upon closer discussion the person and I refined it to be max 100-150 sq feet per household depending on the size of households since cohousing communities in Canada vary from 7 to 40+ and we have one in development in Ottawa for only 4 units for 4 existing friends. Remember, cohousing common space needs to be paid for and the per square feet building cost of the whole building needs to be fully loaded on the total of square feet of the units so any corridors and common space gets loaded on your units per square feet cost. That is sometimes not factored in for people not familiar with the development process and Ithink that may have led at least 1 group I know to fail. If you are building an apartment / condo style building, typically corridors and lobby are around 10%ish of the total build area and the common space can add another 10-15% to the cost and if so that is 25% higher. I.e. your builder quotes you $400/sq. ft for the whole building it would translate to $500/sq. feet for units on a 25% extra space or 20% of total space being shared common area and corridors. Also common space needs operating costs (lights, etc.), repairs and capital reserve funds to be factored in. A condo I was renting before had a nice party room. I am guessing it is around 1000 sq ft with living room area and kitchen/dining room and the capacity was 32 people and this was pre-covid. So 1200 might be barely in the lower end of your range of 40-50 people. I think your designer is underestimating the amount of space required for 40-50 people a little considering we are under covid and might want a bit more social distancing. You need to think of the dining section of common space and an architect grad I know said there are some massing / space required formulas for that but I suspect that was not updated for COVID. I think a lot of condo party rooms are not used that often due to cost and difficulty of booking but some I know that are free on first come 1st served are often booked and that may have impacted your designer's thinking. In a cohousing community most of the common space are free and try to encourage neighbours to encounter each other and interact which is foreigh to a lot of regular designers/ developers. You would want some guest suite(s) and it might be useful to have a meeting room that can be used for something else too, maybe it can be a dining area too for group meals. We had talked about shared laundry and maybe a kids playing area that is well sound proofed if you are doing a multigenerational community. Some community have a multipurpose room that can be used for exercise classes and movie nights and other together time. Hope this starts a good discussion. Mary ---------- Forwarded message --------- 2. Statistics on common house usage (Janey Harper) --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 18:52:48 -0700 From: "Janey Harper" <jkharper [at] telus.net> To: <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org> Cc: <jkharper [at] telus.net> Subject: [C-L]_ Statistics on common house usage Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAMWiaLeMJetMopvmTglD9mgBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADkDMkIoQYeT70/VzkSc6ZJAQAAAAA=@ telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, First question: I'm currently working on a project that will be built in Sechelt BC. The designer/developer I'm working with would like to see some statistics on how much the community kitchen/dining room/lounge area REALLY gets used in cohousing communities. Could anyone help me find such statistics? Chuck Durrett has always posited that communities sharing meals 3-4 times a week are more connected, so my goal is a K/DR/L space large enough to allow for the entire community to be together in comfort for meals 3-4x a week, and for all other whole community gatherings. We're guessing a population of 40-50. Second question: My designer/developer is suggesting that 1200 square feet is adequate for the K/DR/L common amenities space (+ bathroom). The 1200 sq. fit is within an 18' x 66' rectangle, with windows/doors/patio doors along one of the 18' sides. I think we should "take over" the unit next door and design this part of the common amenities along a, twice-as-wide, 36' side with twice the view and exterior ground access. This would give us a total of 1825 square feet and allow us to use the extra interior space for ..??? Would appreciate any feedback/comments. Janey The Coastal Village ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _________________________________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: http://L.cohousing.org/info ------------------------------ End of Cohousing-L Digest, Vol 208, Issue 14 ********************************************
- (no other messages in thread)
Results generated by Tiger Technologies Web hosting using MHonArc.