Cohousing-L Mailing List: Re: Coho & LIFESTYLE CHANGES--> Sustainability?

[Stuart Staniford-Chen (stanifor]

In the following "you" = Sharingwood, not Rob Sandelin.

Rob writes:

> native woods.   "Too many poor people..."  That's kind of a bogus 
> comment Stu.  Our population concerns have nothing to do with income.

Well, yes, I apologize for saying that.

> seem slightly interested in being sustainable, it is just not on the 
> agenda for the majority of people who live here.  And that's OK.  

I actually don't think it's OK at all - though certainly I'm willing
to agree that you guys are much better than the alternative would have been.

> People didn't move here to save the world, at least I have never heard 
> that from folks as a reason why they live here.  If your goal is to 

Living sustainably = not taking part in the fucking of the world.  It's 
not about saving it.

Your current message is a lot clearer - you are saying that you are not 
very interested in being sustainable, rather than that you would be if 
only you had more time.  

I don't personally subscribe to the view that any set of values is OK if
only a community has all clearly agreed to it in advance.  Some values
are better than others.  An extreme example would be a cohousing
community which existed for the support and encouragement of pedophilia.
Less extreme examples are communities which are not taking any 
responsibility for what they are doing to the planet.

At this point in time, it is possible to dismiss points of view such as 
mine, because the mainstream of human thought still has not absorbed 
that it lives in a system whose carrying capacity for humans (especially 
wealthy ones) is about to be exceeded (or has already been exceeded).  
This will change as the evidence of our problems gets clearer.

Stuart.
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