Cohousing-L Mailing List: Recent SFGate Article by Carol. Lloyd

I hosted the group that Ken Norwood brought to Swan's on the day that Carol 

Lloyd was with them.  She did not identify herself to me  as a person from 

the press (and Ken didn't tell me if he knew).  I probably wouldn't had 

behaved any differently had I known, but Ms. Lloyd failing to reveal her 

identity is certainly a questionable, if not downright unethical, reporting 

practice.  In my previous business life I had a plenty of experience with 

this sort of behavior, and I have little patience for it.

You are right, Liz, Ms. Lloyd was itching to find things she could hate 

about cohousing, so she did.  Too bad she had to report so many positives 

too.  (She's much better at sarcasm than I am, I concede.)

When I lead the conference bus tour (and any I might lead subsequently), I 

hope I remember to ask at the outset for anyone from the press to identify 

him or herself. It's only fair that everyone on the bus know who might use 

their words in a story. Besides, I want to threaten any reporter with the 

wrath of God, should they use the words "commune" or "communal" in any 

story they may write. And by the way, I'll add (much more gently), please 

don't put a hyphen in "cohousing."

Joani Blank
Oakland, CA

At 12:01 PM 5/9/2001 -0500, you wrote:

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   1. Re: Attn: Patty Mara (pattymara [at] juno.com)
   2. Re: HOA reserves investment plan (Raines Cohen)
   3. sfgate.com story (series!) on coho (Raines Cohen)
   4. Re: sfgate.com story (series!) on coho (Brian Baresch)
   5. Re: sfgate.com story (series!) on coho (Elizabeth Stevenson)
   6. Re: HOA reserves investment plan (David Mandel)

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Message: 1
To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:37:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [C-L]_Attn: Patty Mara
From: pattymara [at] juno.com
Reply-To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org

Hi Robyn,
My computer screened out the attachment (virus) and wouldn't let me open
it, so no worries here.

Direct contact would be me:  Patty Mara Gourley, 1742 Tierra Nueva Lane,
Oceano, CA 93445   (805) 481-8009.  No website other than our old one
from marketing days, and I'm not sure if it is even still up.

cheers,
Patty

On Tue, 8 May 2001 07:25:23 +0800 "Robyn Williams" <pov [at] iinet.net.au>
writes:
> > Ondrayah is welcome to visit with us at Tierra Nueva, about 3.5
> hours
> > south of Santa Cruz.
> >
> > warmly,
> > Patty Mara Gourley
>
>
> Thanks Patty - I was hoping you'd be interested!  I hope she can
> make it
> down there.  Could you send your direct contact info please.  The
> reply-all
> doesn't do that anymore.  And website details?
>
> Many thanks
> Robyn Williams
> Pinakarri Community
> Fremantle, Western Australia
>
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Message: 2
Subject: Re: [C-L]_HOA reserves investment plan
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:51:12 -0700
From: Raines Cohen <raines-coho-L [at] raines.com>
To: <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>
Reply-To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org

David Mandel <dlmandel [at] pacbell.net> wrote on 5/8/01 10:01 AM:

> These are state and federal tax free (thus avoiding the 40%
>we'd be paying

I thought that HOA's (at least here in California) are generally
incorporated as a form of nonprofit that is exempt from federal and state
income taxes... is investment income considered Unrelated Business
Income, and thus subject to taxation? Clearly, it makes a big difference
in the investment strategy you pursue.

Raines

(also curious whether any coho groups are also investing reserve or other
funds in somewhat riskier but higher yield and
higher-return-to-the-community-at-large investments: in silent second
mortgages to members (I believe Pleasant Hill Cohousing is planning this)
to assist with affordability, or in investments in other communities)

Raines Cohen <coho-L [at] raines.com> <http://www.swansway.com/>
Happy to host a Pleasant Hill coho meeting last night.

  Vice President, Swan's Market Cohousing [Old Oakland, CA]
Where we had a grand time making pavers for our garden.

  Member, East Bay Cohousing [no site yet] <http://www.ebcoho.org/>
Surprised by the interest and response; Next meeting: May 20.

  Boardmember, The Cohousing Network <http://www.cohousing.org/>
Reminding you to register now for the best rates for the North American
Cohousing Conference, July 20-22, Berkeley, CA.

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 12:03:28 -0700
From: Raines Cohen <raines-coho-L [at] raines.com>
To: <cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org>
Subject: [C-L]_sfgate.com story (series!) on coho
Reply-To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org

Read it at the site affiliated with the San Francisco Chronicle at:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=3D/gate/archive/2001/05/08/lloyd=
D
TL

(you may need to copy and paste if that URL breaks up onto two lines)

Read on for a call to action.

Opener:

>SURREAL ESTATE  [the name of her column.. it's online-only]
>
>It's A Commune, It's A Condo, It's ... Cohousing
>
>by Carol Lloyd, special to SFGate      =A0     Tuesday, May 8, 2001
>
>Like many people who would love to live a less anonymous existence, I've
>often dreamed the dream of cohousing: living with or near a group of
>people who share meals, helping raise each other's children, contributing
>to the greater society and functioning somewhere between an extended
>family and a tight-knit neighborhood.
>
>So I signed up for a whirlwind tour of local cohousing [linked to TCN
website! yay!]
> communities, led by architect, planner and cohousing advocate Ken Norwood=

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 14:06:52 -0500
From: "Brian Baresch" <baresch [at] earthlink.net>
To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
Subject: Re: [C-L]_sfgate.com story (series!) on coho
Reply-To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org

>Read it at the site affiliated with the San Francisco Chronicle at:
>
>http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2001/05/08/lloydD
>TL
>
>(you may need to copy and paste if that URL breaks up onto two lines)

I found it at

http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/lloyd/

Brian Baresch baresch [at] earthlink.net
Delaware Street Commons
Lawrence, Kansas
www.delaware-street.com

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:58:26 +0000
Subject: Re: [C-L]_sfgate.com story (series!) on coho
From: "Elizabeth Stevenson" <tamgoddess [at] home.com>
To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
Reply-To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org

It seemed incredibly negative to me. Even as she said that cohousing is
incredibly diverse, and each community so different, she slammed it for
being not perfect for her and too non-individualistic. (As if they've had
time at  old Swans Market to get mature landscaping!!) And people working
for a long term goal is some kind of negative trait.

This woman is an example of one of the reasons I left San Francisco. I call
it the "hipper than thou" attitude. Better not say anything positive or
you'll be a loser. While the article was accurate in many ways, it has a
condescending tone that I find annoying and irrelevant. I prefer my
reporting more objective.

--
Liz Stevenson
Southside Park Cohousing
Sacramento, California

Passed the 90 degree mark for a second day. Hello, blackouts! Better eat the
ice cream now.

tamgoddess [at] home.com
http://members.home.net/southsideparkcohousing

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>From: "Brian Baresch" <baresch [at] earthlink.net>
>To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
>Subject: Re: [C-L]_sfgate.com story (series!) on coho
>Date: Tue, May 8, 2001, 7:06 PM
>

>>Read it at the site affiliated with the San Francisco Chronicle at:
>>
>>http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2001/05/08/lloydD
>>TL
>>
>>(you may need to copy and paste if that URL breaks up onto two lines)
>
> I found it at
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/lloyd/
>
> Brian Baresch baresch [at] earthlink.net
> Delaware Street Commons
> Lawrence, Kansas
> www.delaware-street.com
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 01:32:20 -0700
From: David Mandel <dlmandel [at] pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [C-L]_HOA reserves investment plan
To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org
Reply-To: cohousing-l [at] cohousing.org

Raines Cohen wrote:

> David Mandel <dlmandel [at] pacbell.net> wrote on 5/8/01 10:01 AM:
>
> > These are state and federal tax free (thus avoiding the 40%
> >we'd be paying
>
> I thought that HOA's (at least here in California) are generally
> incorporated as a form of nonprofit that is exempt from federal and state
> income taxes... is investment income considered Unrelated Business
> Income, and thus subject to taxation? Clearly, it makes a big difference
> in the investment strategy you pursue.

Yes, income of a type that would be taxable if it belonged to an individual
is taxable to an HOA. The flat rate for an incorporated HOA under IRC 528 is
30%. Add state taxes and it's close to 40%. That makes tax-free bonds
attractive.

>
>
> Raines
>
> (also curious whether any coho groups are also investing reserve or other
> funds in somewhat riskier but higher yield and
> higher-return-to-the-community-at-large investments: in silent second
> mortgages to members (I believe Pleasant Hill Cohousing is planning this)
> to assist with affordability, or in investments in other communities)

These would be considered very risky for an HOA. In the worst case, an
aggrieved individual could sue for breach of fiduciary duty if losses
suffered required additional special assessments.

David

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Recent SFGate Article by Carol. Lloyd	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Joani Blank (joaniswansway.com)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:42:03 -0600 (MDT)