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From: laura (lrifkin12![]() |
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 08:57:50 -0700 (PDT) |
Dear Mary,As someone who is a wheelchair user on this list and a newbie at exploring co-housing, I found your letter shockingly painful and disturbing. "We'd like not to put in an elevator or even the shaft for future use. Must we do this?"
I'm stunned to even see the question. Clearly I would not be welcome in your community. I also responded to this list-serve awhile ago and received a flurry of letters from folks with disabilities warning me that well-intentioned communities are not necessarily very disability conscious and to keep my eyes open (all of these were off-list). I was informed that many folks with disabilities have had bad experiences with co-housing and many have left.
The idea that you can save on costs by not being accessible is an outdated one at best. Imagine if you wanted to save on costs and your solution was to not put in a kitchen or bathrooms. That is the equivalent of how your letter reads to me. There's a reason we all worked long and hard on legislation to protect our rights to exist and participate. It is in part so we would not have to re-invent the wheel every time we want to be part of something.
Your letter implicitly suggests that wheelchair users of people with mobility challenges should just find another place to live or be content to visit only on the first floor. It's a "back of the bus" statement, essentially and has undertones of segregation and discrimination. On a deeper level, it reminds me of the old arguments that disabled people just be warehoused in institutions somewhere. If you understood the depth of pain that remarks, attitudes, and lived experience like that causes I think you would think differently about it. I'd also like to say that as a newbie to this list, I find this very unwelcoming.
Sincerely, Laura Rifkin On May 8, 2008, at 3:34 AM, maryvk [at] tellink.net wrote:
GreetingsWe are working hard to control costs on our Common House for our new community so we can have what we want but be able to build it this spring. Our design has our bedrooms on the second floor along with a multipurpose room. Basement has laundry and storage only. First floor has a handicap bathroom.We'd like not to put in an elevator or even the shaft for future use. Must we do this? Are Common Houses typically treated like one's private home or a public building with required handicap features? Thoughts and lessons learned?Your prompt reply is appreciated and thank you for your help. Mary Kaplan Nubanusit Farm and Neighborhood Peterborough NH _________________________________________________________________ Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/
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Re: Required handicap access to 2nd floor/elevator Ann Zabaldo, May 8 2008
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Re: Required handicap access to 2nd floor/elevator Matthew Whiting, May 8 2008
- Re: Required handicap access to 2nd floor/elevator laura, May 8 2008
- Re: Required handicap access to 2nd floor/elevator Alexander Robin A, May 9 2008
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Re: Required handicap access to 2nd floor/elevator Matthew Whiting, May 8 2008
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Re: Required handicap access to 2nd floor/elevator Ann Zabaldo, May 8 2008
- Re: Required handicap access to 2nd floor/elevator laura, May 8 2008
- Re: Required handicap access to 2nd floor/elevator Larry Miller, May 8 2008
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Re: Required handicap access to 2nd floor/elevator Ellen Keyne Seebacher, May 9 2008
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Re: Required handicap access to 2nd floor/elevator Sharon Villines, May 9 2008
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Re: Required handicap access to 2nd floor/elevator Sharon Villines, May 9 2008
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