Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things
From: Dane Laverty (danelavertygmail.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:51:14 -0700 (PDT)
I'm not a professional, but Google led me here:
http://www.theexitstore.com/regulations.htm . At a glance, it appears to be
relevant and useful.


Dane


On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Oz <oz [at] songaia.com> wrote:

>
> There must be an architect or other professional here that can speak to the
> relevant regulatory issues - perhaps in the Universal Building Code?
>
> Oz
> ozragland.com
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Joanie Connors <jvcphd [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Some years ago I saw an exit sign made of colored neon tubing. It was
> > a pleasant looking rosy red glowing "exit" in cursive. I googled this,
> > but could not find one in several pages of images, so perhaps they are
> > not accepted now.
> >
> > You might call a neon sign business and see what they would cost.
> >
> > Assuming this would be too costly, you might call a graphic artist and
> > see what they would charge for custom signs.
> >
> > Or even cheaper, an inventive person with a laptop could try different
> > fonts to find an effect you like and have them printed and laminated.
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Sharon Villines
> > <sharon [at] sharonvillines.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11 Mar 2012, at 7:06 AM, R Philip Dowds wrote:
> > >
> > >> Not quite sure what actually happened here, but in general the
> "systems
> > people" do not really come in after the architects are "finished".  In
> > terms of both design logic and construction sequence, a building is an
> > integrated assembly, and …
> > >
> > > You know that and I know that, but……
> > >
> > > For developing communities, this is one of the reasons you want to
> > limit/eliminate customization. The whole process is so complex and so
> many
> > different people are involved that you don't want to do anything to make
> it
> > more complex.
> > >
> > >> Did you put the design out for competitive bid ... and then take the
> > low bidder?
> > >
> > > We had a developer. We had a Design Team. The architect blamed the
> > construction contractor and the construction contract blamed the
> architect.
> > The developer was new to cohousing and subsequently has developed other
> > communities more successfully in terms of the structural stuff.
> > >
> > > One thing that might be helpful to new communities — the process of
> > advising back and forth on new technologies and new ways of doing things
> > can throw everyone off base because each one can trust that the other one
> > knows what they are doing. People accept new ideas that they can't
> > themselves confirm, but the fact that they are accepted feels like
> > confirmation. It's a hard process to do something sort of new but not
> > exactly.
> > >
> > >> \Exit signs are not optional, they are required by the egress and life
> > safety codes.  Some signs are more elegant than others.
> > >
> > > What I'm looking for are the "more elegant" ones. What is exactly
> > required? Everyone seems to be showing exactly the same signs. Is the
> > standard height and width required everywhere?
> > >
> > >> * At Cornerstone, client/architect disputes forced the founders to
> > change architects in mid-stream.  And extreme litigation and permitting
> > expenses swallowed up a lot of money, compelling design compromises and
> > selection of a low-bidder contractor.  There were consequences.
> > >
> > > This sank a community in Florida. The architect came in 2 years late
> > with designs that were woefully wrong, just wrong. Doors that couldn't be
> > opened because there were walls on the other side was the the worst. Then
> > the engineers looked at it and said it would cost billions to construct
> > because it would require steel beams — in a two story structure because
> he
> > had specified hurricane-proof blocks to be used to make cupolas on top of
> > the buildings Victorian Key West style.
> > >
> > > The architect wanted another $20,000 or something like that to fix the
> > plans. Which would mean more engineering costs.
> > >
> > > GOOD ADVICE from Gilda Iriarte who used to do the financial stuff for
> > the Cohousing Company. Ask bankers for referrals to architects,
> developers,
> > etc. Because they are on the money end of things and see projects succeed
> > and fail everyday, they know who consistently brings in projects on time
> > and within budget. Interview bankers.
> > >
> > > Sharon
> > > ----
> > > Sharon Villines
> > > Takoma Village Cohousing, Washington DC
> > > http://www.takomavillage.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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