Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things | <– Date –> <– Thread –> |
From: Oz (ozsongaia.com) | |
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:46:18 -0700 (PDT) |
There must be an architect or other professional here that can speak to the relevant regulatory issues - perhaps in the Universal Building Code? Oz ozragland.com On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Joanie Connors <jvcphd [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > Some years ago I saw an exit sign made of colored neon tubing. It was > a pleasant looking rosy red glowing "exit" in cursive. I googled this, > but could not find one in several pages of images, so perhaps they are > not accepted now. > > You might call a neon sign business and see what they would cost. > > Assuming this would be too costly, you might call a graphic artist and > see what they would charge for custom signs. > > Or even cheaper, an inventive person with a laptop could try different > fonts to find an effect you like and have them printed and laminated. > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Sharon Villines > <sharon [at] sharonvillines.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 11 Mar 2012, at 7:06 AM, R Philip Dowds wrote: > > > >> Not quite sure what actually happened here, but in general the "systems > people" do not really come in after the architects are "finished". In > terms of both design logic and construction sequence, a building is an > integrated assembly, and … > > > > You know that and I know that, but…… > > > > For developing communities, this is one of the reasons you want to > limit/eliminate customization. The whole process is so complex and so many > different people are involved that you don't want to do anything to make it > more complex. > > > >> Did you put the design out for competitive bid ... and then take the > low bidder? > > > > We had a developer. We had a Design Team. The architect blamed the > construction contractor and the construction contract blamed the architect. > The developer was new to cohousing and subsequently has developed other > communities more successfully in terms of the structural stuff. > > > > One thing that might be helpful to new communities — the process of > advising back and forth on new technologies and new ways of doing things > can throw everyone off base because each one can trust that the other one > knows what they are doing. People accept new ideas that they can't > themselves confirm, but the fact that they are accepted feels like > confirmation. It's a hard process to do something sort of new but not > exactly. > > > >> \Exit signs are not optional, they are required by the egress and life > safety codes. Some signs are more elegant than others. > > > > What I'm looking for are the "more elegant" ones. What is exactly > required? Everyone seems to be showing exactly the same signs. Is the > standard height and width required everywhere? > > > >> * At Cornerstone, client/architect disputes forced the founders to > change architects in mid-stream. And extreme litigation and permitting > expenses swallowed up a lot of money, compelling design compromises and > selection of a low-bidder contractor. There were consequences. > > > > This sank a community in Florida. The architect came in 2 years late > with designs that were woefully wrong, just wrong. Doors that couldn't be > opened because there were walls on the other side was the the worst. Then > the engineers looked at it and said it would cost billions to construct > because it would require steel beams — in a two story structure because he > had specified hurricane-proof blocks to be used to make cupolas on top of > the buildings Victorian Key West style. > > > > The architect wanted another $20,000 or something like that to fix the > plans. Which would mean more engineering costs. > > > > GOOD ADVICE from Gilda Iriarte who used to do the financial stuff for > the Cohousing Company. Ask bankers for referrals to architects, developers, > etc. Because they are on the money end of things and see projects succeed > and fail everyday, they know who consistently brings in projects on time > and within budget. Interview bankers. > > > > Sharon > > ---- > > Sharon Villines > > Takoma Village Cohousing, Washington DC > > http://www.takomavillage.org > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > > http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Cohousing-L mailing list -- Unsubscribe, archives and other info at: > http://www.cohousing.org/cohousing-L/ > > >
- Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things, (continued)
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Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things Sharon Villines, March 10 2012
- Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things R Philip Dowds, March 11 2012
- Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things Sharon Villines, March 11 2012
- Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things Joanie Connors, March 11 2012
- Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things Oz, March 11 2012
- Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things Bryan Bowen, March 12 2012
- Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things Sharon Villines, March 13 2012
- Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things Dane Laverty, March 12 2012
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Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things Sharon Villines, March 10 2012
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