Re: Exit Signs and Other Ugly Things
From: Oz (ozsongaia.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:46:18 -0700 (PDT)
There must be an architect or other professional here that can speak to the
relevant regulatory issues - perhaps in the Universal Building Code?

Oz
ozragland.com

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Joanie Connors <jvcphd [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Some years ago I saw an exit sign made of colored neon tubing. It was
> a pleasant looking rosy red glowing "exit" in cursive. I googled this,
> but could not find one in several pages of images, so perhaps they are
> not accepted now.
>
> You might call a neon sign business and see what they would cost.
>
> Assuming this would be too costly, you might call a graphic artist and
> see what they would charge for custom signs.
>
> Or even cheaper, an inventive person with a laptop could try different
> fonts to find an effect you like and have them printed and laminated.
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Sharon Villines
> <sharon [at] sharonvillines.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 11 Mar 2012, at 7:06 AM, R Philip Dowds wrote:
> >
> >> Not quite sure what actually happened here, but in general the "systems
> people" do not really come in after the architects are "finished".  In
> terms of both design logic and construction sequence, a building is an
> integrated assembly, and …
> >
> > You know that and I know that, but……
> >
> > For developing communities, this is one of the reasons you want to
> limit/eliminate customization. The whole process is so complex and so many
> different people are involved that you don't want to do anything to make it
> more complex.
> >
> >> Did you put the design out for competitive bid ... and then take the
> low bidder?
> >
> > We had a developer. We had a Design Team. The architect blamed the
> construction contractor and the construction contract blamed the architect.
> The developer was new to cohousing and subsequently has developed other
> communities more successfully in terms of the structural stuff.
> >
> > One thing that might be helpful to new communities — the process of
> advising back and forth on new technologies and new ways of doing things
> can throw everyone off base because each one can trust that the other one
> knows what they are doing. People accept new ideas that they can't
> themselves confirm, but the fact that they are accepted feels like
> confirmation. It's a hard process to do something sort of new but not
> exactly.
> >
> >> \Exit signs are not optional, they are required by the egress and life
> safety codes.  Some signs are more elegant than others.
> >
> > What I'm looking for are the "more elegant" ones. What is exactly
> required? Everyone seems to be showing exactly the same signs. Is the
> standard height and width required everywhere?
> >
> >> * At Cornerstone, client/architect disputes forced the founders to
> change architects in mid-stream.  And extreme litigation and permitting
> expenses swallowed up a lot of money, compelling design compromises and
> selection of a low-bidder contractor.  There were consequences.
> >
> > This sank a community in Florida. The architect came in 2 years late
> with designs that were woefully wrong, just wrong. Doors that couldn't be
> opened because there were walls on the other side was the the worst. Then
> the engineers looked at it and said it would cost billions to construct
> because it would require steel beams — in a two story structure because he
> had specified hurricane-proof blocks to be used to make cupolas on top of
> the buildings Victorian Key West style.
> >
> > The architect wanted another $20,000 or something like that to fix the
> plans. Which would mean more engineering costs.
> >
> > GOOD ADVICE from Gilda Iriarte who used to do the financial stuff for
> the Cohousing Company. Ask bankers for referrals to architects, developers,
> etc. Because they are on the money end of things and see projects succeed
> and fail everyday, they know who consistently brings in projects on time
> and within budget. Interview bankers.
> >
> > Sharon
> > ----
> > Sharon Villines
> > Takoma Village Cohousing, Washington DC
> > http://www.takomavillage.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
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